[Grovenet] Fwd: Oh NO, not Flat Fatima!

[Steven]

Well, then I guess I am on another side. I don't believe that mickey has any
place in the photographs.
The raising of the flag is akin to 'grip n grins' or the gold shovel photos
at ground breakings.
But people posed as dead bodies or a single damaged building passing as a
whole town by moving the debris around is a lie.
I remember a few years ago a PDX reporter got in hot water for 'standing in
flood water' when she really was on her knees in very little water, there
was no flooding.
I worked with many reporters who would not allow things to be staged.
Just the same, I never took the embedded reporters stories as anything but
staged photo ops. I was vastly excited by the technology to do the live bits
from the front.
Just as many people believe GW lost the election, or that the WTC was taken
down with explosives; photos by the likes of this photographer have a
damaging effect on reality. The guy did much more than throw some toys in
shots. I read an article last week where they had the original shots with
the time stamps in the data showing how things that were supposedly
happening all at once were actually hours apart. Or that a photo of someone
in an ambulance had them in the rubble in a shot taken later. A trashed car
that appeared in several shots as if they had been pushing it around to
different areas.
Propaganda.




-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of allnutt
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:48 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Fwd: Oh NO, not Flat Fatima!


I disagree.  He was making  a very good point.
There has been some discussion here about staged photos (the flag at Iwo
Jima).
Similarly, some photos are better when items that don't belong are added as
well.
A good example is when a penny is photographed next to something small. The
penny and the item are usually totally unrelated but it gives perspective.
A clean teddy bear or Mickey/Minnie Mouse in a pile of dirty rubble may be
used for comparison purposes as well. I doubt that people who see a clean
toy in the middle of muck really believe it was found that way.  War is hell
and toys for comparison are not the same kind of doctoring that gets
photographers fired.

Are you trying to explain to me why it  is okay to make something up when
your name Is Rove?  ; )

Katie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven" <NoSpam03 at comcast.net>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Grovenet] Fwd: Oh NO, not Flat Fatima!


> Aw, heck. Now you blew it. Eric was trying to explain to me why it is OK
> to
> make something up when your name's not Rove. :)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
>> Behalf Of allnutt
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:02 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Fw: [Grovenet] Fwd: Oh NO, not Flat Fatima!
>>
>>
>>
>> 2nd try........
>>
>>
>>  Whoa a bit there.
>>  Doctoring photos is wrong but I interpreted Steven's original post a bit
>>  different.
>>
>>  I felt that Steven Flat Fatima post was merely an example to
>> illustrate the
>>  explanation of where the Flat Fatima phenomenon started, not
>> necessarily as
>>  an endorsement of what the article stated.  When the question
>> started out
>> as
>> What is Flat Fatima?  Steven seemed to say, here is a video of how Flat
>> Fatima is used.
>>
>> Maybe it is just me, but you both appear to be arguing the same
>> side of the
>> coin, more or less.
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>> Katie
>>
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
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>> > To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:13 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [Grovenet] Fwd: Oh NO, not Flat Fatima!
>> >
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