[Grovenet] When the Arctic was balmy

[Eric Canon]

--- Robert VanNatta <robert at vannattabros.com>
wrote:

> Historically, it has been both very warm and
> very cold.   certainly this
> area was under glaciers in the last ice age.

You are correct, but don't forget to mention
"over thousands and millions of years". The
changes that are happening now are rapid, and not
related to meteor strikes. Combine that with the
climatic difficulties which would displace life
as we know it today, possibly creating conditions
that even preclude human existence, and you paint
a truer picture.


> Similarly you can look at Glacier Bay in SE
> Alaska which barely existed as
> Captain Cook described it, to deep enough now
> that Cruise ships run up it.
> Likewise the retreating ice there has exposed
> giant stumps from 'really old
> growth timber'  --- tree stumps  from before
> the last ice age that are now
> being exposed.
> 
> The eco system is never quite stable, but has a
> way of righting itself, and
> when co2 goes up, the plants grow more
> vigorously and pull it back down.

Again, over time, yes, but, even then, if it gets
hot, is there a place for humanity? If the
problem is caused by human activity, and there is
abundant evidence that is the situation, can we
just continue on and expect the earth to adjust?
 
> The other thing of course that the discovery at
> the 'north pole' doesn't
> acknowledge is that that location hasn't always
> been the north pole.

Are you suggesting that these scientists
overlooked location? That doesn't give them much
respect if that's your position. And, one other
point: I'm not an expert by any stretch of the
imagination, but these shifts in the poles that
you bring to our attention are factual and
established, but, if memory serves, the shifts
are over a relatively small area of our planet.
It is not like some area on the equator ever
served as a north or south pole. The general area
"up there" or "down there" has always been in
relative proximity to the poles. Perhaps we have
an expert on this list who could confirm or deny
this for us.
 
> Physicists write that the earth has changed it
> polarity several times over
> the ages.    The magnetic north has wandered a
> long ways from the geographic
> north, and the very fact that we have seasons
> is caused by the earth rocking
> on its axis.
> 
> All of these things suggest a very traumatic
> past, and cosmic events may
> well have caused the earth to spin differently.
>   Thus the findings are
> interesting but what they prove is less clear.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I
interpret the point of your response to your
implied belief that the evidence does not yet
warrant any alarm on our parts resulting in
behavior change. Is that correct? You believe the
earth will self correct and we can go right on
burning our fuels and living like there is no
problem. 

If that's the case, I do not share your position
at all, and I would offer our children are placed
at great risk by such a position. I mean Robert,
they are going to be really busy trying to pay
back our debt, let alone trying to grow Doug fir
trees when Oregon's climate resembles Baja!