[Grovenet] Re:a funny story
Geri
ggsteele at gte.net
Sun Jun 4 16:46:03 PDT 2006
True, Eric ... re Forest Grove.
I believe Steve may have been referring to Verboort?
(Which is our next closest neighbor to the north, Joy.)
Geri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Canon" <canonmetals at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
: On the factual end of things, Forest Grove was
: founded by the Congregationalists. They came here
: to "save" the local Indians, but the European
: diseases they brought killed off the Indians
: instead, so Tualatin Academy became Pacific
: University. Maybe David Morelli or Marie can give
: us those fascinating details. I'd love to have
: the details of the Catholic presence as well, but
: hold the slurs please. They aren't all
: conservatives, just as Congregationalists aren't
: all liberals.
:
: I agree with you Geri. Reading Steve's post was
: like standing under a very dark cloud that was
: dumping rain water.
:
: --- Geri <ggsteele at gte.net> wrote:
:
: > Steve, you are *pretending* innocence when you
: > ask me
: > what was off about your post! Of course it is
: > good to
: > add perspectives. In fact, I started reading
: > your post
: > thinking what good background you were offering
: > ...
: > But if you had really followed the thread, you
: > know crime
: > was brought up and resources offered for Joy to
: > find out
: > more. *No one* who posted to Joy so far has
: > pretended
: > there is no crime.
: >
: > Take your paragraph that starts, "The area was
: > settled ..."
: >
: > The first half of the paragraph is great!
: > Informative,
: > giving background that sticks to the facts.
: > But as usual,
: > you couldn't help being snide about people from
: > the
: > university in spite of the fact you know many
: > on GroveNet
: > work there or have ties there -- Interspersed
: > with actual
: > decent information are ugly personal digs,
: > including your
: > opinion of the view she may get from GroveNet.
: >
: > You know very well what you are up to, and so
: > does anyone
: > else here, by squeezing in some of your
: > personal dissatisfactions
: > in a post, pretending they are part of your
: > "information."
: >
: >
: > Geri
: >
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
: > To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
: > <grovenet at rdrop.com>
: > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:16 PM
: > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
: >
: >
: > : Geri,
: > :
: > : Nonetheless, I felt justified in offering a
: > different perspective. Sometimes
: > : the truth comes across as hateful when one
: > doesn 't want to hear it.
: > :
: > : What exactly did you find hateful about my
: > post? Was it my characterization
: > : of Mormons as adding strength to our
: > community. Was it my observation that
: > : many of Dutch Catholic descent are solid
: > upstanding, people? Was it that I
: > : attributed intelligence, practicality and
: > independence to many Eastern
: > : Oregonians?
: > :
: > : Is pointing out poverty, drugs and gang
: > activity hateful? Are you being
: > : encouraging and informative when you fail to
: > mention them?
: > :
: > :
: > : Steve
: > :
: > : ----- Original Message -----
: > : From: "Geri" <ggsteele at gte.net>
: > : To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
: > <grovenet at rdrop.com>
: > : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 PM
: > : Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
: > :
: > :
: > : > Wow, were we having too much fun
: > communicating without
: > : > you, Steve? The whole tone of your post
: > makes me glad
: > : > I don't hang out with whoever you get your
: > hateful mis-info
: > : > from!
: > : >
: > : > However, Joy, let me reassure you that
: > those who have been
: > : > friendly, encouraging, and informative to
: > you so far on GroveNet
: > : > are truly friendly, encouraging and
: > informative people.
: > : >
: > : > Geri
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > ----- Original Message -----
: > : > From: "Steve Jerrett"
: > <stevedj at teleport.com>
: > : > To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
: > <grovenet at rdrop.com>
: > : > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:26 PM
: > : > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > : Joy,
: > : > :
: > : > : I have been following this thread for
: > some time now, and would like to
: > : > give
: > : > : you a different perspective.
: > : > :
: > : > : If you were to formulate your impression
: > of Forest Grove based on the
: > : > : conversations on grovenet, you might
: > reach the conclusion that we are a
: > : > very
: > : > : liberal community. Nothing could be
: > further from the truth. Yes, we have
: > : > a
: > : > : University and there is a small liberal
: > microcosm here, but we also a
: > : > very
: > : > : large conservative base.
: > : > :
: > : > : The area was settled in the 1800s by
: > Dutch Catholics and their presence
: > : > is
: > : > : still very influential. The small
: > communities of Roy and Verboort both
: > : > have
: > : > : churches and private schools and names
: > beginning with "Van" (Vandyke,
: > : > : Vandehey, etc.) are still very common.
: > Many of these folks still farm
: > : > the
: > : > : area as they have for many years. They
: > tend to hold conservative values
: > : > and
: > : > : I have found most of them to be solid ,
: > upstanding people. Some of the
: > : > local
: > : > : "elite" enjoy joking that the "gene pool"
: > of the Dutch Catholic
: > : > community
: > : > : has been compromised by inbreeding. Some
: > Pacific University professors
: > : > got
: > : > : themselves in hot water a few years back
: > by joking about it in their
: > : > : classes. It seems that they had a few of
: > the locals in their classes. I
: > : > : still hear some of these comments now and
: > then, but it doesn't seem as
: > : > : prevalent as it was. You get some of this
: > on grovenet, although veiled,
: > : > with
: > : > : the redneck jokes, etc.
: > : > :
: > : > : We also have a large Mormon presence. I
: > don't know how large, but it
: > : > : certainly adds to the strength of our
: > area.
: > : > :
: > : > : In addition to farming, Forest Grove once
: > had a large timber-based
: > : > economy.
: > : > : There are no mills in Forest Grove now,
: > but there is one a few miles
: > : > away
: > : > : that employs quite a few local folks
: > : > :
: > : > : In your previous post, you mentioned the
: > conception that Oregon is quite
: > : > : liberal. This is true in the metropolitan
: > areas, but the further you get
: > : > : from the heavily populated areas, the
: > more conservative it becomes.
: > : > Eastern
: > : > : Oregon is very conservative, but it is
: > not the "bubbaville" that was
: > : > : mentioned earlier. I have found, having
: > lived in the eastern part of the
: > : > : state, that many of the folks there are
: > very intelligent, practical and
: > : > : fiercely independent. Western Oregon
: > liberals tend to brand them as
: > : > : "redneck" with all of the negative
: > connotations that come with that
: > : > term,
: > : > : but that is a shallow generalization that
: > often comes from a lack of
: > : > : independent thinking.
: > : > :
: > : > : As for Forest Grove, we are on the fringe
: > of the metro area, and, as I
: > : > : stated before, tend to be much more
: > conservative than Portland. We are
: > : > not a
: > : > : wealthy community in comparison, with
: > some of the least expensive
: > : > housing in
: > : > : the area. We have a fairly large portion
: > of the community below the
: > : > poverty
: > : > : level, as reflected by the high rate of
: > students qualifying for free and
: > : > : reduced lunch at our schools. We have a
: > large Hispanic population, being
: > : > an
: > : > : agriculatural area.There is some gang
: > activity and quite a large drug
: > : > : culture here also.
: > : > :
: > : > : My main objective in writing to you was
: > to give you a different
: > : > perspective.
: > : > : You will tend to get a narrow view from
: > grovenet, as it is not a true
: > : > : representation of the very diverse
: > community that we have here.
: > : > :
: > : > : Steve
: > : > :
: > : > : From: <JBlair2154 at aol.com>
: > : > : To: <grovenet at rdrop.com>
: > : > : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:29 AM
: > : > : Subject: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : > : > Jack had the oil changed in his
: > Explorer yesterday, and came home
: > : > : > grinning
: > : > : > over a conversation he had with the
: > garage owner in our little
: > : > : > Mississippi
: > : > : > town. Ya'll might enjoy it.
: > : > : > Jack mentioned that we plan to move to
: > Oregon.
: > : > : > "Oregon?" said the owner. "My son lives
: > there!" But he couldn't relate
: > : > : > exactly where in Oregon. "I've never
: > been up there," he explained.
: > : > : > He went on to volunteer: "It's a
: > liberal place...but he loves it."
: > : > : > He couldn't describe his son's job,
: > either, but declared that his son
: > : > "is
: > : > : > smart...much smarter than his daddy."
: > : > : >
: > : > : > All I can add to this exchange is a
: > Southernism: Bless his heart.
: > : > : > Joy
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
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