[Grovenet] Re:a funny story

[Steve Jerrett]

Geri,

Just to make something perfectly clear.

My "digs" are directed at only a few. I know a great number of Pacific profs 
and only a very few would resort to such reprehensible behavior. I guess I 
should have meade that clear. I apologize.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geri" <ggsteele at gte.net>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story


> Steve, you are *pretending* innocence when you ask me
> what was off about your post!  Of course it is good to
> add perspectives.  In fact, I started reading your post
> thinking what good background you were offering ...
> But if you had really followed the thread, you know crime
> was brought up and resources offered for Joy to find out
> more.  *No one* who posted to Joy so far has pretended
> there is no crime.
>
> Take your paragraph that starts, "The area was settled ..."
>
> The first half of the paragraph is great!  Informative,
> giving background that sticks to the facts.  But as usual,
> you couldn't help being snide about people from the
> university in spite of the fact you know many on GroveNet
> work there or have ties there --  Interspersed with actual
> decent information are ugly personal digs, including your
> opinion of the view she may get from GroveNet.
>
> You know very well what you are up to, and so does anyone
> else here, by squeezing in some of your personal dissatisfactions
> in a post, pretending they are part of your "information."
>
>
> Geri
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
>
>
> : Geri,
> :
> : Nonetheless, I felt justified in offering a different perspective. 
> Sometimes
> : the truth comes across as hateful when one doesn 't want to hear it.
> :
> : What exactly did you find hateful about my post? Was it my 
> characterization
> : of  Mormons as adding strength to our community. Was it my observation 
> that
> : many of Dutch Catholic descent are solid upstanding, people? Was it that 
> I
> : attributed intelligence, practicality and independence to many Eastern
> : Oregonians?
> :
> : Is pointing out poverty, drugs and gang activity hateful? Are you being
> : encouraging and informative when you fail to mention them?
> :
> :
> : Steve
> :
> : ----- Original Message ----- 
> : From: "Geri" <ggsteele at gte.net>
> : To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 PM
> : Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> :
> :
> : > Wow, were we having too much fun communicating without
> : > you, Steve?  The whole tone of your post makes me glad
> : > I don't hang out with whoever you get your hateful mis-info
> : > from!
> : >
> : > However, Joy, let me reassure you that those who have been
> : > friendly, encouraging, and informative to you so far on GroveNet
> : > are truly friendly, encouraging and informative people.
> : >
> : > Geri
> : >
> : >
> : > ----- Original Message ----- 
> : > From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
> : > To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> : > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:26 PM
> : > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> : >
> : >
> : > : Joy,
> : > :
> : > : I have been following this thread for some time now, and would like 
> to
> : > give
> : > : you a different perspective.
> : > :
> : > : If you were to formulate your impression of Forest Grove based on 
> the
> : > : conversations on grovenet, you might reach the conclusion that we 
> are a
> : > very
> : > : liberal community. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, we 
> have
> : > a
> : > : University and there is a small liberal microcosm here, but we also 
> a
> : > very
> : > : large conservative base.
> : > :
> : > : The area was settled in the 1800s by Dutch Catholics and their 
> presence
> : > is
> : > : still very influential. The small communities of Roy and Verboort 
> both
> : > have
> : > : churches and private schools and names beginning with "Van" 
> (Vandyke,
> : > : Vandehey, etc.) are still very common. Many of these folks still 
> farm
> : > the
> : > : area as they have for many years. They tend to hold conservative 
> values
> : > and
> : > : I have found most of them to be solid , upstanding people. Some of 
> the
> : > local
> : > : "elite" enjoy joking that the "gene pool" of the Dutch Catholic
> : > community
> : > : has been compromised by inbreeding. Some Pacific University 
> professors
> : > got
> : > : themselves in hot water a few years back by joking about it in their
> : > : classes. It seems that they had a few of the locals in their 
> classes. I
> : > : still hear some of these comments now and then, but it doesn't seem 
> as
> : > : prevalent as it was. You get some of this on grovenet, although 
> veiled,
> : > with
> : > : the redneck jokes, etc.
> : > :
> : > : We also have a large Mormon presence. I don't know how large, but it
> : > : certainly adds to the strength of our area.
> : > :
> : > : In addition to farming, Forest Grove once had a large timber-based
> : > economy.
> : > : There are no mills in Forest Grove now, but there is one a few miles
> : > away
> : > : that employs quite a few local folks
> : > :
> : > : In your previous post, you mentioned the conception that Oregon is 
> quite
> : > : liberal. This is true in the metropolitan areas, but the further you 
> get
> : > : from the heavily populated areas, the more conservative it becomes.
> : > Eastern
> : > : Oregon is very conservative, but it is not the "bubbaville" that was
> : > : mentioned earlier. I have found, having lived in the eastern part of 
> the
> : > : state, that many of the folks there are very intelligent, practical 
> and
> : > : fiercely independent. Western Oregon liberals tend to brand them as
> : > : "redneck" with all of the negative connotations that come with that
> : > term,
> : > : but that is a shallow generalization that often comes from a lack of
> : > : independent thinking.
> : > :
> : > : As for Forest Grove, we are on the fringe of the metro area, and, as 
> I
> : > : stated before, tend to be much more conservative than Portland. We 
> are
> : > not a
> : > : wealthy community in comparison, with some of the least expensive
> : > housing in
> : > : the area. We have a fairly large portion of the community below the
> : > poverty
> : > : level, as reflected by the high rate of students qualifying for free 
> and
> : > : reduced lunch at our schools. We have a large Hispanic population, 
> being
> : > an
> : > : agriculatural area.There is some gang activity and quite a large 
> drug
> : > : culture here also.
> : > :
> : > : My main objective in writing to you was to give you a different
> : > perspective.
> : > : You will tend to get a narrow view from grovenet, as it is not a 
> true
> : > : representation of the very diverse community that we have here.
> : > :
> : > : Steve
> : > :
> : > : From: <JBlair2154 at aol.com>
> : > : To: <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> : > : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:29 AM
> : > : Subject: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : > Jack had the oil changed in his Explorer yesterday, and came home
> : > : > grinning
> : > : > over a conversation he had with the garage owner in our little
> : > : > Mississippi
> : > : > town. Ya'll might enjoy it.
> : > : > Jack mentioned that we plan to move to Oregon.
> : > : > "Oregon?" said the owner. "My son lives there!" But he couldn't 
> relate
> : > : > exactly where in Oregon. "I've never  been up there," he 
> explained.
> : > : > He went on to volunteer: "It's a liberal place...but he  loves 
> it."
> : > : > He couldn't describe his son's job, either, but declared that his 
> son
> : > "is
> : > : > smart...much smarter than his daddy."
> : > : >
> : > : > All I can add to this exchange is a Southernism:  Bless his 
> heart.
> : > : > Joy
> : > : >
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