[Grovenet] Re:a funny story

Sun Jun 4 17:30:16 PDT 2006

Where did I say that Dutch Catholics have
had no influence on Forest Grove?? Is it your
position that the Congregationalists did not play
a role? Lighten up. Tell us about the Catholic
history that you  cherish. I'm interested. I'm
sure others are as well. We can all cherish it.

The thing I like about my conservative friends,
and I have lots of them, is that we share about
what we know. We are secure enough that we don't
need to be part of a "vast majority". And hearing
about an opinion with which we do not necessarily
agree is not grounds for a fight. 

There are plenty of conservatives here. Plenty of
liberals, too. And Catholics and
Congregationalists and on and on. 

--- Steve Jerrett <stevedj at teleport.com> wrote:

> So, you are saying that Dutch Catholics have
> had no influence on Forest 
> Grove?
> 
> Of course they aren't all conservatives, but my
> observation is that the vast 
> majority are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Canon" <canonmetals at yahoo.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> 
> 
> > On the factual end of things, Forest Grove
> was
> > founded by the Congregationalists. They came
> here
> > to "save" the local Indians, but the European
> > diseases they brought killed off the Indians
> > instead, so Tualatin Academy became Pacific
> > University. Maybe David Morelli or Marie can
> give
> > us those fascinating details. I'd love to
> have
> > the details of the Catholic presence as well,
> but
> > hold the slurs please. They aren't all
> > conservatives, just as Congregationalists
> aren't
> > all liberals.
> >
> > I agree with you Geri. Reading Steve's post
> was
> > like standing under a very dark cloud that
> was
> > dumping rain water.
> >
> > --- Geri <ggsteele at gte.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Steve, you are *pretending* innocence when
> you
> >> ask me
> >> what was off about your post!  Of course it
> is
> >> good to
> >> add perspectives.  In fact, I started
> reading
> >> your post
> >> thinking what good background you were
> offering
> >> ...
> >> But if you had really followed the thread,
> you
> >> know crime
> >> was brought up and resources offered for Joy
> to
> >> find out
> >> more.  *No one* who posted to Joy so far has
> >> pretended
> >> there is no crime.
> >>
> >> Take your paragraph that starts, "The area
> was
> >> settled ..."
> >>
> >> The first half of the paragraph is great!
> >> Informative,
> >> giving background that sticks to the facts.
> >> But as usual,
> >> you couldn't help being snide about people
> from
> >> the
> >> university in spite of the fact you know
> many
> >> on GroveNet
> >> work there or have ties there -- 
> Interspersed
> >> with actual
> >> decent information are ugly personal digs,
> >> including your
> >> opinion of the view she may get from
> GroveNet.
> >>
> >> You know very well what you are up to, and
> so
> >> does anyone
> >> else here, by squeezing in some of your
> >> personal dissatisfactions
> >> in a post, pretending they are part of your
> >> "information."
> >>
> >>
> >> Geri
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
> >> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> >>
> >>
> >> : Geri,
> >> :
> >> : Nonetheless, I felt justified in offering
> a
> >> different perspective. Sometimes
> >> : the truth comes across as hateful when one
> >> doesn 't want to hear it.
> >> :
> >> : What exactly did you find hateful about my
> >> post? Was it my characterization
> >> : of  Mormons as adding strength to our
> >> community. Was it my observation that
> >> : many of Dutch Catholic descent are solid
> >> upstanding, people? Was it that I
> >> : attributed intelligence, practicality and
> >> independence to many Eastern
> >> : Oregonians?
> >> :
> >> : Is pointing out poverty, drugs and gang
> >> activity hateful? Are you being
> >> : encouraging and informative when you fail
> to
> >> mention them?
> >> :
> >> :
> >> : Steve
> >> :
> >> : ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> : From: "Geri" <ggsteele at gte.net>
> >> : To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 PM
> >> : Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> >> :
> >> :
> >> : > Wow, were we having too much fun
> >> communicating without
> >> : > you, Steve?  The whole tone of your post
> >> makes me glad
> >> : > I don't hang out with whoever you get
> your
> >> hateful mis-info
> >> : > from!
> >> : >
> >> : > However, Joy, let me reassure you that
> >> those who have been
> >> : > friendly, encouraging, and informative
> to
> >> you so far on GroveNet
> >> : > are truly friendly, encouraging and
> >> informative people.
> >> : >
> >> : > Geri
> >> : >
> >> : >
> >> : > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> : > From: "Steve Jerrett"
> >> <stevedj at teleport.com>
> >> : > To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> : > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:26 PM
> >> : > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> >> : >
> >> : >
> >> : > : Joy,
> >> : > :
> >> : > : I have been following this thread for
> >> some time now, and would like to
> >> : > give
> >> : > : you a different perspective.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : If you were to formulate your
> impression
> >> of Forest Grove based on the
> >> : > : conversations on grovenet, you might
> >> reach the conclusion that we are a
> >> : > very
> >> : > : liberal community. Nothing could be
> >> further from the truth. Yes, we have
> >> : > a
> >> : > : University and there is a small
> liberal
> >> microcosm here, but we also a
> >> : > very
> >> : > : large conservative base.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : The area was settled in the 1800s by
> >> Dutch Catholics and their presence
> >> : > is
> >> : > : still very influential. The small
> >> communities of Roy and Verboort both
> >> : > have
> >> : > : churches and private schools and names
> >> beginning with "Van" (Vandyke,
> >> : > : Vandehey, etc.) are still very common.
> >> Many of these folks still farm
> >> : > the
> >> : > : area as they have for many years. They
> >> tend to hold conservative values
> >> : > and
> >> : > : I have found most of them to be solid
> ,
> >> upstanding people. Some of the
> >> : > local
> >> : > : "elite" enjoy joking that the "gene
> pool"
> >> of the Dutch Catholic
> >> : > community
> >> : > : has been compromised by inbreeding.
> Some
> >> Pacific University professors
> >> : > got
> >> : > : themselves in hot water a few years
> back
> >> by joking about it in their
> >> : > : classes. It seems that they had a few
> of
> >> the locals in their classes. I
> >> : > : still hear some of these comments now
> and
> >> then, but it doesn't seem as
> >> : > : prevalent as it was. You get some of
> this
> >> on grovenet, although veiled,
> >> : > with
> >> : > : the redneck jokes, etc.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : We also have a large Mormon presence.
> I
> >> don't know how large, but it
> >> : > : certainly adds to the strength of our
> >> area.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : In addition to farming, Forest Grove
> once
> >> had a large timber-based
> >> : > economy.
> >> : > : There are no mills in Forest Grove
> now,
> >> but there is one a few miles
> >> : > away
> >> : > : that employs quite a few local folks
> >> : > :
> >> : > : In your previous post, you mentioned
> the
> >> conception that Oregon is quite
> >> : > : liberal. This is true in the
> metropolitan
> >> areas, but the further you get
> >> : > : from the heavily populated areas, the
> >> more conservative it becomes.
> >> : > Eastern
> >> : > : Oregon is very conservative, but it is
> >> not the "bubbaville" that was
> >> : > : mentioned earlier. I have found,
> having
> >> lived in the eastern part of the
> >> : > : state, that many of the folks there
> are
> >> very intelligent, practical and
> >> : > : fiercely independent. Western Oregon
> >> liberals tend to brand them as
> >> : > : "redneck" with all of the negative
> >> connotations that come with that
> >> : > term,
> >> : > : but that is a shallow generalization
> that
> >> often comes from a lack of
> >> : > : independent thinking.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : As for Forest Grove, we are on the
> fringe
> >> of the metro area, and, as I
> >> : > : stated before, tend to be much more
> >> conservative than Portland. We are
> >> : > not a
> >> : > : wealthy community in comparison, with
> >> some of the least expensive
> >> : > housing in
> >> : > : the area. We have a fairly large
> portion
> >> of the community below the
> >> : > poverty
> >> : > : level, as reflected by the high rate
> of
> >> students qualifying for free and
> >> : > : reduced lunch at our schools. We have
> a
> >> large Hispanic population, being
> >> : > an
> >> : > : agriculatural area.There is some gang
> >> activity and quite a large drug
> >> : > : culture here also.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : My main objective in writing to you
> was
> >> to give you a different
> >> : > perspective.
> >> : > : You will tend to get a narrow view
> from
> >> grovenet, as it is not a true
> >> : > : representation of the very diverse
> >> community that we have here.
> >> : > :
> >> : > : Steve
> >> : > :
> >> : > : From: <JBlair2154 at aol.com>
> >> : > : To: <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> : > : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:29 AM
> >> : > : Subject: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> >> : > :
> >> : > :
> >> : > : > Jack had the oil changed in his
> >> Explorer yesterday, and came home
> >> : > : > grinning
> >> : > : > over a conversation he had with the
> >> garage owner in our little
> >> : > : > Mississippi
> >> : > : > town. Ya'll might enjoy it.
> >> : > : > Jack mentioned that we plan to move
> to
> >> Oregon.
> >> : > : > "Oregon?" said the owner. "My son
> lives
> >> there!" But he couldn't relate
> >> : > : > exactly where in Oregon. "I've never
> >> been up there," he explained.
> >> : > : > He went on to volunteer: "It's a
> >> liberal place...but he  loves it."
> >> : > : > He couldn't describe his son's job,
> >> either, but declared that his  son
> >> : > "is
> >> : > : > smart...much smarter than his
> daddy."
> >> : > : >
> >> : > : > All I can add to this exchange is a
> >> Southernism:  Bless his  heart.
> >> : > : > Joy
> >> : > : >
> >> : > : >
> >>
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