[Grovenet] Re:a funny story
Steve Jerrett
stevedj at teleport.com
Sun Jun 4 18:11:13 PDT 2006
Eric stated:
> And hearing
> about an opinion with which we do not necessarily
> agree is not grounds for a fight.
Eric, Eric, Eric...
Who are you trying to fool? You have had your hackles raised and spit a lot
of venom over the years over some conservative opinions
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Canon" <canonmetals at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
And hearing
> about an opinion with which we do not necessarily
> agree is not grounds for a fight.
>
> --- Steve Jerrett <stevedj at teleport.com> wrote:
>
>> So, you are saying that Dutch Catholics have
>> had no influence on Forest
>> Grove?
>>
>> Of course they aren't all conservatives, but my
>> observation is that the vast
>> majority are.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric Canon" <canonmetals at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
>> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
>>
>>
>> > On the factual end of things, Forest Grove
>> was
>> > founded by the Congregationalists. They came
>> here
>> > to "save" the local Indians, but the European
>> > diseases they brought killed off the Indians
>> > instead, so Tualatin Academy became Pacific
>> > University. Maybe David Morelli or Marie can
>> give
>> > us those fascinating details. I'd love to
>> have
>> > the details of the Catholic presence as well,
>> but
>> > hold the slurs please. They aren't all
>> > conservatives, just as Congregationalists
>> aren't
>> > all liberals.
>> >
>> > I agree with you Geri. Reading Steve's post
>> was
>> > like standing under a very dark cloud that
>> was
>> > dumping rain water.
>> >
>> > --- Geri <ggsteele at gte.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Steve, you are *pretending* innocence when
>> you
>> >> ask me
>> >> what was off about your post! Of course it
>> is
>> >> good to
>> >> add perspectives. In fact, I started
>> reading
>> >> your post
>> >> thinking what good background you were
>> offering
>> >> ...
>> >> But if you had really followed the thread,
>> you
>> >> know crime
>> >> was brought up and resources offered for Joy
>> to
>> >> find out
>> >> more. *No one* who posted to Joy so far has
>> >> pretended
>> >> there is no crime.
>> >>
>> >> Take your paragraph that starts, "The area
>> was
>> >> settled ..."
>> >>
>> >> The first half of the paragraph is great!
>> >> Informative,
>> >> giving background that sticks to the facts.
>> >> But as usual,
>> >> you couldn't help being snide about people
>> from
>> >> the
>> >> university in spite of the fact you know
>> many
>> >> on GroveNet
>> >> work there or have ties there --
>> Interspersed
>> >> with actual
>> >> decent information are ugly personal digs,
>> >> including your
>> >> opinion of the view she may get from
>> GroveNet.
>> >>
>> >> You know very well what you are up to, and
>> so
>> >> does anyone
>> >> else here, by squeezing in some of your
>> >> personal dissatisfactions
>> >> in a post, pretending they are part of your
>> >> "information."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Geri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
>> >> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
>> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:16 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> : Geri,
>> >> :
>> >> : Nonetheless, I felt justified in offering
>> a
>> >> different perspective. Sometimes
>> >> : the truth comes across as hateful when one
>> >> doesn 't want to hear it.
>> >> :
>> >> : What exactly did you find hateful about my
>> >> post? Was it my characterization
>> >> : of Mormons as adding strength to our
>> >> community. Was it my observation that
>> >> : many of Dutch Catholic descent are solid
>> >> upstanding, people? Was it that I
>> >> : attributed intelligence, practicality and
>> >> independence to many Eastern
>> >> : Oregonians?
>> >> :
>> >> : Is pointing out poverty, drugs and gang
>> >> activity hateful? Are you being
>> >> : encouraging and informative when you fail
>> to
>> >> mention them?
>> >> :
>> >> :
>> >> : Steve
>> >> :
>> >> : ----- Original Message -----
>> >> : From: "Geri" <ggsteele at gte.net>
>> >> : To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
>> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> >> : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 PM
>> >> : Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
>> >> :
>> >> :
>> >> : > Wow, were we having too much fun
>> >> communicating without
>> >> : > you, Steve? The whole tone of your post
>> >> makes me glad
>> >> : > I don't hang out with whoever you get
>> your
>> >> hateful mis-info
>> >> : > from!
>> >> : >
>> >> : > However, Joy, let me reassure you that
>> >> those who have been
>> >> : > friendly, encouraging, and informative
>> to
>> >> you so far on GroveNet
>> >> : > are truly friendly, encouraging and
>> >> informative people.
>> >> : >
>> >> : > Geri
>> >> : >
>> >> : >
>> >> : > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> : > From: "Steve Jerrett"
>> >> <stevedj at teleport.com>
>> >> : > To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
>> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> >> : > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:26 PM
>> >> : > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
>> >> : >
>> >> : >
>> >> : > : Joy,
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : I have been following this thread for
>> >> some time now, and would like to
>> >> : > give
>> >> : > : you a different perspective.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : If you were to formulate your
>> impression
>> >> of Forest Grove based on the
>> >> : > : conversations on grovenet, you might
>> >> reach the conclusion that we are a
>> >> : > very
>> >> : > : liberal community. Nothing could be
>> >> further from the truth. Yes, we have
>> >> : > a
>> >> : > : University and there is a small
>> liberal
>> >> microcosm here, but we also a
>> >> : > very
>> >> : > : large conservative base.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : The area was settled in the 1800s by
>> >> Dutch Catholics and their presence
>> >> : > is
>> >> : > : still very influential. The small
>> >> communities of Roy and Verboort both
>> >> : > have
>> >> : > : churches and private schools and names
>> >> beginning with "Van" (Vandyke,
>> >> : > : Vandehey, etc.) are still very common.
>> >> Many of these folks still farm
>> >> : > the
>> >> : > : area as they have for many years. They
>> >> tend to hold conservative values
>> >> : > and
>> >> : > : I have found most of them to be solid
>> ,
>> >> upstanding people. Some of the
>> >> : > local
>> >> : > : "elite" enjoy joking that the "gene
>> pool"
>> >> of the Dutch Catholic
>> >> : > community
>> >> : > : has been compromised by inbreeding.
>> Some
>> >> Pacific University professors
>> >> : > got
>> >> : > : themselves in hot water a few years
>> back
>> >> by joking about it in their
>> >> : > : classes. It seems that they had a few
>> of
>> >> the locals in their classes. I
>> >> : > : still hear some of these comments now
>> and
>> >> then, but it doesn't seem as
>> >> : > : prevalent as it was. You get some of
>> this
>> >> on grovenet, although veiled,
>> >> : > with
>> >> : > : the redneck jokes, etc.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : We also have a large Mormon presence.
>> I
>> >> don't know how large, but it
>> >> : > : certainly adds to the strength of our
>> >> area.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : In addition to farming, Forest Grove
>> once
>> >> had a large timber-based
>> >> : > economy.
>> >> : > : There are no mills in Forest Grove
>> now,
>> >> but there is one a few miles
>> >> : > away
>> >> : > : that employs quite a few local folks
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : In your previous post, you mentioned
>> the
>> >> conception that Oregon is quite
>> >> : > : liberal. This is true in the
>> metropolitan
>> >> areas, but the further you get
>> >> : > : from the heavily populated areas, the
>> >> more conservative it becomes.
>> >> : > Eastern
>> >> : > : Oregon is very conservative, but it is
>> >> not the "bubbaville" that was
>> >> : > : mentioned earlier. I have found,
>> having
>> >> lived in the eastern part of the
>> >> : > : state, that many of the folks there
>> are
>> >> very intelligent, practical and
>> >> : > : fiercely independent. Western Oregon
>> >> liberals tend to brand them as
>> >> : > : "redneck" with all of the negative
>> >> connotations that come with that
>> >> : > term,
>> >> : > : but that is a shallow generalization
>> that
>> >> often comes from a lack of
>> >> : > : independent thinking.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : As for Forest Grove, we are on the
>> fringe
>> >> of the metro area, and, as I
>> >> : > : stated before, tend to be much more
>> >> conservative than Portland. We are
>> >> : > not a
>> >> : > : wealthy community in comparison, with
>> >> some of the least expensive
>> >> : > housing in
>> >> : > : the area. We have a fairly large
>> portion
>> >> of the community below the
>> >> : > poverty
>> >> : > : level, as reflected by the high rate
>> of
>> >> students qualifying for free and
>> >> : > : reduced lunch at our schools. We have
>> a
>> >> large Hispanic population, being
>> >> : > an
>> >> : > : agriculatural area.There is some gang
>> >> activity and quite a large drug
>> >> : > : culture here also.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : My main objective in writing to you
>> was
>> >> to give you a different
>> >> : > perspective.
>> >> : > : You will tend to get a narrow view
>> from
>> >> grovenet, as it is not a true
>> >> : > : representation of the very diverse
>> >> community that we have here.
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : Steve
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : From: <JBlair2154 at aol.com>
>> >> : > : To: <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> >> : > : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:29 AM
>> >> : > : Subject: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > :
>> >> : > : > Jack had the oil changed in his
>> >> Explorer yesterday, and came home
>> >> : > : > grinning
>> >> : > : > over a conversation he had with the
>> >> garage owner in our little
>> >> : > : > Mississippi
>> >> : > : > town. Ya'll might enjoy it.
>> >> : > : > Jack mentioned that we plan to move
>> to
>> >> Oregon.
>> >> : > : > "Oregon?" said the owner. "My son
>> lives
>> >> there!" But he couldn't relate
>> >> : > : > exactly where in Oregon. "I've never
>> >> been up there," he explained.
>> >> : > : > He went on to volunteer: "It's a
>> >> liberal place...but he loves it."
>> >> : > : > He couldn't describe his son's job,
>> >> either, but declared that his son
>> >> : > "is
>> >> : > : > smart...much smarter than his
>> daddy."
>> >> : > : >
>> >> : > : > All I can add to this exchange is a
>> >> Southernism: Bless his heart.
>> >> : > : > Joy
>> >> : > : >
>> >> : > : >
>> >>
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