[Grovenet] Re:a funny story

Eric Canon canonmetals at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 5 00:38:18 PDT 2006 

And I can raise my hackles again, Steve. I'm not
into fooling. Grovenuts know us both.

Would someone else like to tell us a little about
Roy and Verboort? Steve is too busy to respond,
as usual.

--- Steve Jerrett <stevedj at teleport.com> wrote:

> Eric stated:
> 
> > And hearing
> > about an opinion with which we do not
> necessarily
> > agree is not grounds for a fight.
> 
> Eric, Eric, Eric...
> 
> Who are you trying to fool? You have had your
> hackles raised and spit a lot 
> of venom over the years over some conservative
> opinions
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Canon" <canonmetals at yahoo.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> 
> 
> And hearing
> > about an opinion with which we do not
> necessarily
> > agree is not grounds for a fight.
> >
> > --- Steve Jerrett <stevedj at teleport.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> So, you are saying that Dutch Catholics have
> >> had no influence on Forest
> >> Grove?
> >>
> >> Of course they aren't all conservatives, but
> my
> >> observation is that the vast
> >> majority are.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Eric Canon" <canonmetals at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:36 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> >>
> >>
> >> > On the factual end of things, Forest Grove
> >> was
> >> > founded by the Congregationalists. They
> came
> >> here
> >> > to "save" the local Indians, but the
> European
> >> > diseases they brought killed off the
> Indians
> >> > instead, so Tualatin Academy became
> Pacific
> >> > University. Maybe David Morelli or Marie
> can
> >> give
> >> > us those fascinating details. I'd love to
> >> have
> >> > the details of the Catholic presence as
> well,
> >> but
> >> > hold the slurs please. They aren't all
> >> > conservatives, just as Congregationalists
> >> aren't
> >> > all liberals.
> >> >
> >> > I agree with you Geri. Reading Steve's
> post
> >> was
> >> > like standing under a very dark cloud that
> >> was
> >> > dumping rain water.
> >> >
> >> > --- Geri <ggsteele at gte.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Steve, you are *pretending* innocence
> when
> >> you
> >> >> ask me
> >> >> what was off about your post!  Of course
> it
> >> is
> >> >> good to
> >> >> add perspectives.  In fact, I started
> >> reading
> >> >> your post
> >> >> thinking what good background you were
> >> offering
> >> >> ...
> >> >> But if you had really followed the
> thread,
> >> you
> >> >> know crime
> >> >> was brought up and resources offered for
> Joy
> >> to
> >> >> find out
> >> >> more.  *No one* who posted to Joy so far
> has
> >> >> pretended
> >> >> there is no crime.
> >> >>
> >> >> Take your paragraph that starts, "The
> area
> >> was
> >> >> settled ..."
> >> >>
> >> >> The first half of the paragraph is great!
> >> >> Informative,
> >> >> giving background that sticks to the
> facts.
> >> >> But as usual,
> >> >> you couldn't help being snide about
> people
> >> from
> >> >> the
> >> >> university in spite of the fact you know
> >> many
> >> >> on GroveNet
> >> >> work there or have ties there -- 
> >> Interspersed
> >> >> with actual
> >> >> decent information are ugly personal
> digs,
> >> >> including your
> >> >> opinion of the view she may get from
> >> GroveNet.
> >> >>
> >> >> You know very well what you are up to,
> and
> >> so
> >> >> does anyone
> >> >> else here, by squeezing in some of your
> >> >> personal dissatisfactions
> >> >> in a post, pretending they are part of
> your
> >> >> "information."
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Geri
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Steve Jerrett"
> <stevedj at teleport.com>
> >> >> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> >> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:16 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny story
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> : Geri,
> >> >> :
> >> >> : Nonetheless, I felt justified in
> offering
> >> a
> >> >> different perspective. Sometimes
> >> >> : the truth comes across as hateful when
> one
> >> >> doesn 't want to hear it.
> >> >> :
> >> >> : What exactly did you find hateful about
> my
> >> >> post? Was it my characterization
> >> >> : of  Mormons as adding strength to our
> >> >> community. Was it my observation that
> >> >> : many of Dutch Catholic descent are
> solid
> >> >> upstanding, people? Was it that I
> >> >> : attributed intelligence, practicality
> and
> >> >> independence to many Eastern
> >> >> : Oregonians?
> >> >> :
> >> >> : Is pointing out poverty, drugs and gang
> >> >> activity hateful? Are you being
> >> >> : encouraging and informative when you
> fail
> >> to
> >> >> mention them?
> >> >> :
> >> >> :
> >> >> : Steve
> >> >> :
> >> >> : ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> : From: "Geri" <ggsteele at gte.net>
> >> >> : To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> >> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> >> : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 PM
> >> >> : Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny
> story
> >> >> :
> >> >> :
> >> >> : > Wow, were we having too much fun
> >> >> communicating without
> >> >> : > you, Steve?  The whole tone of your
> post
> >> >> makes me glad
> >> >> : > I don't hang out with whoever you get
> >> your
> >> >> hateful mis-info
> >> >> : > from!
> >> >> : >
> >> >> : > However, Joy, let me reassure you
> that
> >> >> those who have been
> >> >> : > friendly, encouraging, and
> informative
> >> to
> >> >> you so far on GroveNet
> >> >> : > are truly friendly, encouraging and
> >> >> informative people.
> >> >> : >
> >> >> : > Geri
> >> >> : >
> >> >> : >
> >> >> : > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> : > From: "Steve Jerrett"
> >> >> <stevedj at teleport.com>
> >> >> : > To: "Forest Grove local interests
> list"
> >> >> <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> >> : > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:26 PM
> >> >> : > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Re:a funny
> story
> >> >> : >
> >> >> : >
> >> >> : > : Joy,
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : I have been following this thread
> for
> >> >> some time now, and would like to
> >> >> : > give
> >> >> : > : you a different perspective.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : If you were to formulate your
> >> impression
> >> >> of Forest Grove based on the
> >> >> : > : conversations on grovenet, you
> might
> >> >> reach the conclusion that we are a
> >> >> : > very
> >> >> : > : liberal community. Nothing could be
> >> >> further from the truth. Yes, we have
> >> >> : > a
> >> >> : > : University and there is a small
> >> liberal
> >> >> microcosm here, but we also a
> >> >> : > very
> >> >> : > : large conservative base.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : The area was settled in the 1800s
> by
> >> >> Dutch Catholics and their presence
> >> >> : > is
> >> >> : > : still very influential. The small
> >> >> communities of Roy and Verboort both
> >> >> : > have
> >> >> : > : churches and private schools and
> names
> >> >> beginning with "Van" (Vandyke,
> >> >> : > : Vandehey, etc.) are still very
> common.
> >> >> Many of these folks still farm
> >> >> : > the
> >> >> : > : area as they have for many years.
> They
> >> >> tend to hold conservative values
> >> >> : > and
> >> >> : > : I have found most of them to be
> solid
> >> ,
> >> >> upstanding people. Some of the
> >> >> : > local
> >> >> : > : "elite" enjoy joking that the "gene
> >> pool"
> >> >> of the Dutch Catholic
> >> >> : > community
> >> >> : > : has been compromised by inbreeding.
> >> Some
> >> >> Pacific University professors
> >> >> : > got
> >> >> : > : themselves in hot water a few years
> >> back
> >> >> by joking about it in their
> >> >> : > : classes. It seems that they had a
> few
> >> of
> >> >> the locals in their classes. I
> >> >> : > : still hear some of these comments
> now
> >> and
> >> >> then, but it doesn't seem as
> >> >> : > : prevalent as it was. You get some
> of
> >> this
> >> >> on grovenet, although veiled,
> >> >> : > with
> >> >> : > : the redneck jokes, etc.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : We also have a large Mormon
> presence.
> >> I
> >> >> don't know how large, but it
> >> >> : > : certainly adds to the strength of
> our
> >> >> area.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : In addition to farming, Forest
> Grove
> >> once
> >> >> had a large timber-based
> >> >> : > economy.
> >> >> : > : There are no mills in Forest Grove
> >> now,
> >> >> but there is one a few miles
> >> >> : > away
> >> >> : > : that employs quite a few local
> folks
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : In your previous post, you
> mentioned
> >> the
> >> >> conception that Oregon is quite
> >> >> : > : liberal. This is true in the
> >> metropolitan
> >> >> areas, but the further you get
> >> >> : > : from the heavily populated areas,
> the
> >> >> more conservative it becomes.
> >> >> : > Eastern
> >> >> : > : Oregon is very conservative, but it
> is
> >> >> not the "bubbaville" that was
> >> >> : > : mentioned earlier. I have found,
> >> having
> >> >> lived in the eastern part of the
> >> >> : > : state, that many of the folks there
> >> are
> >> >> very intelligent, practical and
> >> >> : > : fiercely independent. Western
> Oregon
> >> >> liberals tend to brand them as
> >> >> : > : "redneck" with all of the negative
> >> >> connotations that come with that
> >> >> : > term,
> >> >> : > : but that is a shallow
> generalization
> >> that
> >> >> often comes from a lack of
> >> >> : > : independent thinking.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : As for Forest Grove, we are on the
> >> fringe
> >> >> of the metro area, and, as I
> >> >> : > : stated before, tend to be much more
> >> >> conservative than Portland. We are
> >> >> : > not a
> >> >> : > : wealthy community in comparison,
> with
> >> >> some of the least expensive
> >> >> : > housing in
> >> >> : > : the area. We have a fairly large
> >> portion
> >> >> of the community below the
> >> >> : > poverty
> >> >> : > : level, as reflected by the high
> rate
> >> of
> >> >> students qualifying for free and
> >> >> : > : reduced lunch at our schools. We
> have
> >> a
> >> >> large Hispanic population, being
> >> >> : > an
> >> >> : > : agriculatural area.There is some
> gang
> >> >> activity and quite a large drug
> >> >> : > : culture here also.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : My main objective in writing to you
> >> was
> >> >> to give you a different
> >> >> : > perspective.
> >> >> : > : You will tend to get a narrow view
> >> from
> >> >> grovenet, as it is not a true
> >> >> : > : representation of the very diverse
> >> >> community that we have here.
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : Steve
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : From: <JBlair2154 at aol.com>
> >> >> : > : To: <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >> >> : > : Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:29
> AM
> >> >> : > : Subject: [Grovenet] Re:a funny
> story
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > :
> >> >> : > : > Jack had the oil changed in his
> >> >> Explorer yesterday, and came home
> >> >> : > : > grinning
> >> >> : > : > over a conversation he had with
> the
> >> >> garage owner in our little
> >> >> : > : > Mississippi
> >> >> : > : > town. Ya'll might enjoy it.
> >> >> : > : > Jack mentioned that we plan to
> move
> >> to
> >> >> Oregon.
> >> >> : > : > "Oregon?" said the owner. "My son
> >> lives
> >> >> there!" But he couldn't relate
> >> >> : > : > exactly where in Oregon. "I've
> never
> >> >> been up there," he explained.
> >> >> : > : > He went on to volunteer: "It's a
> >> >> liberal place...but he  loves it."
> >> >> : > : > He couldn't describe his son's
> job,
> >> >> either, but declared that his  son
> >> >> : > "is
> >> >> : > : > smart...much smarter than his
> >> daddy."
> >> >> : > : >
> >> >> : > : > All I can add to this exchange is
> a
> >> >> Southernism:  Bless his  heart.
> >> >> : > : > Joy
> >> >> : > : >
> >> >> : > : >
> >> >>
> >>
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