[Grovenet] who knew?

[David Morelli]

On Nov 3, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> Yeah, and he didn't take (inhale) the drugs and what he did with  
> the gay
> prostitute wasn't "sex". Now WHERE did he learn to say a thing like  
> that?
>
> Underneath the "Keystone Cops" sort of slapstick absurdity to a lot  
> of this
> rhetoric is a steel-hard level of anger. I hope people can keep  
> padding it
> with those absurdities. That ability is what keeps us from seeing  
> violence
> in our streets.
>
> Ron D'Eau Claire

I know that there will be a push to blame Clinton for the  
revelations.    Everything that goes wrong must be traced back to  
Bill or Hillary.

This one may just be conservative Republicans getting back at an  
evangelical preacher who had the temerity to suggest that global  
warming and social justice are issues for Christians to address, or  
that the government should stay out of private sex.

Me?  I have a knee jerk reaction to blame Karl Rove.

I can imagine that Rove would push the news on to the street, wait 24  
hours, and then attack the Demos for slandering a minister, and hope  
that the backlash will help the Republicans.  And if he as to  
sacrifice one minister for that goal ... well it is less than 2800  
soldiers isn't it?

<quote>
The alliance began bearing fruit last year when Haggard and 28 other  
evangelical leaders endorsed "creation care," a strategy for  
environmental action that, most controversially, included a pledge to  
fight global warming."
...
"I knew faith, economics and government have to combine to help  
people live a good life, that any one or two alone don't give us  
enough," Haggard said. "I have never thought the Gospel message was  
just the plan of eternal life. Our responsibility as Christians is we  
give our lives away for the good of others, and that has to include  
social justice, government, economic issues, caring for the poor and  
the oppressed."
...
He also set himself apart from the vast majority of evangelical  
Christian groups by applauding a 2003 Supreme Court decision that  
struck down a Texas anti- sodomy law.
"I believe the church has to teach against immorality, but I don't  
believe it's the role of the state to spend money to find out what  
consenting adults do in their bedrooms and then haul them off to  
jail," Haggard said.

</quote>

Ted Haggard official web site
http://www.tedhaggard.com/denverPost.jsp