[Grovenet] Avoiding WAR (WAS: draft vs. volunteer)

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Clumsy spin job, Steven. 

You wrote "Yea, right. Corruption, graft and party politics on a world
scale." as if that's a reason not to pursue a stronger world organization. 

Ron D'Eau Claire 

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Steven
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:41 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Avoiding WAR (WAS: draft vs. volunteer)


Like me? People who would like to see us all be honest and fair? Sorry if
standing opposed to corruption is against your morals. I can't imagine going
to Brussels just to have redress of a zoning law. We don't like big box
stores, yet big box government works?

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> I was joking about corruption in the USA. Where you have humans, there 
> will be corruption, dishonesty and all the other vices of humanity.
>
> Just remember, Steven, that it takes no intelligence at all to produce 
> reasons why something cannot be done.
>
> The world has survived people with your outlook. You've acted as an 
> anchor we can't haul aboard so we have to drag you around behind us, 
> but the world makes progress anyway.
>
> Ron D'Eau Claire
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] 
> On Behalf Of Steven
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:01 AM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Avoiding WAR (WAS: draft vs. volunteer)
>
>
> There are many countries with a good bit of corruption. Mexico, Middle
> East, Africa, UN.
> Interesting how little we hear about corruption in Brittan.
>
> Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>   
>> You mean we Americans don't lead the world in corruption, graft and
>> party politics?
>>
>> Amazing...
>>
>> Ron D'Eau Claire
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]
>> On Behalf Of Steven
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:50 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Avoiding WAR (WAS: draft vs. volunteer)
>>
>>
>> Yea, right. Corruption, graft and party politics on a world scale.
>> More
>> like crackers than quakers.
>> Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> What are those options and now might they be implemented?
>>>
>>> Yes, I am a strong believer in a world government. Countries like
>>> ours
>>> (and most, actually) live with relative internal peace because all the 
>>> citizens accept control by the state in a great many things. At least 
>>> it's been a century and a half since we fought a war among ourselves 
>>> and it's been much, much longer for many other countries.
>>>
>>> It would seem that moving that model up to a global level would 
>>> produce the same results.
>>>
>>> Ron D'Eau Claire
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Ed Davie
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:21 PM
>>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] draft vs. volunteer
>>>
>>>
>>> For many years, I have believed that a "World
>>> Government" would solve a lot of problems.
>>> Very difficult to attain, I'm sure.
>>> "National Sovereignty" certainly is a problem
>>> world wide!
>>>   
>>>     
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