[Grovenet] bad politics

Thu Oct 5 13:55:30 PDT 2006

So you would be in favor of the house ethics committee concluding their 
investigation before Nov elections as the Democrats would prefer?
Then the facts would be in the hands of the voters before they vote.
Unfortunately this will not be resolved before voting, because the R's have 
the majority on the committee and they can 'wait before hurling any more 
accusations' until after the elections are over. Ah, ain't that sweet.

Were the disgusting e-mails sent to 18 year olds as well as the IMs?  And 
remember this isn't about sex, this is about a guy who wrote legislation to 
protect children from naughty communications through computers, who was 
participating in naugty communications through computers. It's not about 
being gay either, it's about being a hypocrite within the family values 
party. They eat their own.

Katie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krystof Zmudzinski" <krystof_zmudzinski at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] bad politics

I don't defend Foley.  Nobody is defending Foley.  Some people started 
accusing Republican leadership of a cover-up.  They may be right.  I just 
say that, as the Plame fiasco has shown, it may be a bit premature.

  You may dismiss Drudge but some "journalists" respect him.
  http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2514276&page=1

  Given that you use common dreams as your sources, I think Drudge should do 
just fine.  He has already discredited ABC to some extend on this story by 
publishing a report from a republican blogger who discovered the other day 
that those bad IMs were produced while Foley was corresponding with an 
18-year-old.  And ABC has acknowledged the "error."  (Haven't they learned 
anything from Dan Rather?)

  Also, the definition of pedophile may be very broad but what matter is the 
law.   There is no proof yet that any crime has been committed.  There has 
not been any sex with minors and those IMs were exchanged with an adult 
(technically.)  So if there was no crime there can't be a cover-up.

  I'm just suggesting, as I did with the Plame fiasco, let's just wait 
before hurling any more accusations.  It seems you are always assume the 
worst about Republicans.

  Krystof

Geri <ggsteele at gte.net> wrote:
  GroveNuts,

My personal opinion is that using Drudge as a source
is beyond worthless. Matt Drudge is the person who
blamed the pages for this situation, calling them little
beasts.

The fact remains, Foley is the responsible party. He
sent the messages he sent, no matter what any pages
wrote to him. Foley is a pedophile.

Anyone who is an apologist for him has twisted thinking.

Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Krystof Zmudzinski"
To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] bad politics

More from Drudge:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON OCT 5 2006 2:53:48 ET XXXXX

CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY
**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, 
the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the 
resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got 
into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, 
Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded Foley to type embarrassing 
comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. 
The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of 
political operatives favorable to Democrats. This source, an ally of Edmund, 
also adamantly reports that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank 
scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund.

The news come on the heels that former FBI Chief Louis Free has been named 
to investigate the mess.

Developing...

Krystof Zmudzinski wrote:
When the Plame thing happened, most of you jumped on Bush and Co. with all 
kinds of accusations. I wondered then if there were enough facts to accuse 
anybody of anything. Especially knowing what a liar Wilson was. It turned 
out there was nothing to the original charges and Wilson is still a liar.

Now, without knowing anything you again throw accusations around.

Well, check this out. It may not amount to anything but this is getting very 
interesting.

Is seems that Democrats are presumed Innocent unless and even after they are 
proven guilty. Republicans, on the other hand, are assumed guilty unless and 
even after they are proven innocent. Will this be another crow you should 
but you won't eat?

[Disclaimer: Drudge is not always right. We are, after all, just human. And 
somebody maybe pranking him.]

-- Krystof Z.

Stop global whining
UN is not the answer

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