[Grovenet] illegals

[David Morelli]

Yes, we do need to listen.  And we may even need to to examine our  
unstated assumptions about what is right and wrong.  Sometimes we act  
on our assumptions about people, even though we have not valid reason  
for those prejudices.  Some of the illegal aliens are drug runners,  
hustlers, pimps, gangsters and terrorists.  Some are polite,  
hardworking, intelligent, good human beings.  Some fall in the middle.

There are valid reasons to enforce our immigration laws.  There are  
valid reasons to change our immigration laws.  We should discuss and  
arrive at a workable and desirable set of rules.  And those rules  
need to include "Pat", because Pat is part of the problem.  Pat is  
not just a facilitator of the illegal aliens, Pat intentionally seeks  
to motivate foreign people to come here illegally to work.

In "Atlas Shrugged", Ayn Rand wrote a good piece about how the  
government wants people to break the law.  She said that if you have  
an honest man, that man will stand up to unjust governments.  But,  
when people break the law, the government has a lever to control  
them.  So, according to Rand, the government passes laws to create  
lawbreakers.   I don't know that I agree with that, but I do observe  
that the illegal aliens are susceptible to threats of turning them in  
to the police.  Which may make it easier for employers to control them.

As we look at our prejudices, we can note that the illegal aliens can  
benefit and damage our society, and that "Pat" can be either Patrick  
or Patricia.

David

On Oct 9, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Cornelius First wrote:

> ...  Even "Pat" has a reason for doing what he is doing.  But if we  
> don't sit down and discuss it, he'll never understand that it's not  
> just all about him making money for the
> service he renders.
>
> Like it or not, undocumented workers are here.  You will never  
> succeed in strictly enforcing the borders in a way that will keep  
> undocumented workers out, even with a wall, without discussion.   
> even then compliance is going to be tough.
>
>> From: David Morelli <jo.david at verizon.net>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this description because it just seems  
>> incomplete.  So, keep everything that you said and fill in some  
>> blanks.
>>
>> You don't live alone, you share the house with room mates.   
>> Everyone splits the expenses  for rent, utilities, and household  
>> chores according to an agreed formula.  The house rules specify  
>> that the whole household gets to vote on new members.
>>
>> One of your room mates, "Pat", keeps bringing "friends" over for  
>> the night or longer.  It turns out that Pat is taking enough money  
>> from the visitors to cover Pat's share of the rent, and allows  
>> other visitors to do Pat's share of house work in exchange for a  
>> place to stay in your house.
>>
>> I am hungry and cold.  When we meet on the street, Pat describes  
>> the situation, tells me how to get into the house and what to do  
>> when I get there.
>>
>> So I go to work for Pat and ...
>> ...
>> Should you talk to Pat?
>>
>> David