[Grovenet] Answer on 42.

[Geri]

I actually just gave you an example of "greed."

And I **never** said wealthy = greedy.

Think Enron; maybe it will help you think about it more logically.  You seem to be assigning thoughts to me that I don't have.

Do you think it is okay for CEOs, boards of directors, etc., to be paid astronomical sums when the company defaults on their workers?  (Of course the decision to sacrifice the many for the few comes from the top, since a corporation is like a little kingdom, and not like a democracy.)  I ask if you think that's a good thing, if it helps "make our country work," as I could be misunderstanding you.

And I do agree about laws needing to be enforced, and enforced non-selectively.

Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <rondec at easystreet.com>
To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Answer on 42.


:I agree Geri. I just answered a comment from Dale about enforcing our laws
: and how it is harming us grievously by not doing so. 
: 
: You didn't define what you meant by 'greed'. That's what I was really
: responding to. 
: 
: My dictionary defines greed as "An excessive desire to acquire or possess
: more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material
: wealth"
: 
: We don't have a law against greed, nor have I seen greed cause problems for
: anyone but the sufferer of the greed as long as our laws are obeyed and,
: where they aren't obeyed, they are enforced. Greed becomes a problem when
: the sufferer is so driven he/she breaks the law to try to satisfy greed.
: 
: In your example, the income of the rich CEO isn't the point. It's the
: question of what happened to the missing retirement funds. Or, look at it
: this way, if the CEO was not rich, would it matter to those who lost their
: retirement funds? I don't think so. I don't think one says anything about
: the other unless that CEO stole those funds. And that's a common jump in
: judgment. The CEO is rich so he must be a crook. 
: 
: I see people like Bill Gates vilified because he has so much money, so he
: must be a greedy crook in the minds of many. Not so. 
: 
: The basic mantra of Communism that "the wealthy are greedy" seems to have a
: strong foothold in the land of the "free" while we simultaneously claim that
: a poor person can't be "greedy" because he is in need.
: 
: That's nonsense. Robin Hood was a crook.   
: 
: Ron D'Eau Claire   
: 
: 
: 
: -----Original Message-----
: From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
: Behalf Of Geri
: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:32 AM
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: Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Answer on 42.
: 
: 
: Ron, there's a balance between the two somewhere.
: Am sure you're not oblivious to corporate greed --
: the type where a CEO is paid millions while other
: employees lose their retirement funds ...  No, there
: must be some playing field where the intention of
: fairness comes into play.  The rule cannot be that
: a business must always succeed no matter the
: damage to people.
: 
: That corporate greed does not make our country work.
: I am hoping for a balance in there ...  with We the
: People having to take priority over We the Corporation
: -- as a guide.  If you really think about it without just
: an immediate reaction, I am not saying corporations
: should have all kinds of rules stacked against them.  Of
: course not -- they must be workable, and I would wish businesses large and
: small to be successful for their creators.
: 
: But re, your line (below): "Is it greedy for a worker to
: work where he/she gets paid the most for his/her time
: and effort?"  Of course not!  That's why competition for corporations is
: important (I think it would be a good idea for the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to
: start being enforced
: again) --  not only competition for their goods and services, but
: competition for good employees.  A business won't do much without good
: employees.  And by good employees, I don't mean overseas "slave" labor!
: 
: 
: Geri
: 
: 
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <rondec at easystreet.com>
: To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:37 AM
: Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Answer on 42.
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: 
:: Is it greedy for a worker to want to be paid on payday? 
:: 
:: Is it greedy for a worker to work where he/she gets paid the most for
:: his/her time and effort?
:: 
:: If so, then, yes, corporations, all successful businesses, are greedy by
:: that definition. They want to paid for their work. 
:: 
:: It's what makes our country work.
:: 
:: Ron D'Eau Claire 
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