[Grovenet] Senseless violence

Wed Apr 18 11:03:31 PDT 2007

You might be right Ed, but it was very easy to get guns when I was a kid. I
used to go target shooting with buddies. Why didn't we see the current death
rate then? 

Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) are surely to be the fascination of many
disturbed people - people of ALL ages. If one is too stupid to figure how to
mix a few common chemicals together instructions are available on the
internet for a whole range of devices. 

IEDs are, after all, it's the latest way to express one's frustration and
dissatisfaction with others or society in general. Glamorous. Exciting.
Making a huge point! What more could such a person want? 

Timothy McVey didn't need to use a gun. Clearly, he didn't want to use a
gun. He had much bigger plans. 

Saying that guns are too easy to obtain is like saying there are too many
people are dying or being seriously injured in auto accidents. That's a real
concern, but it doesn't say a thing about why people are being injured and
killed. 

Ron D'Eau Claire

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Davie
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:20 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Senseless violence

Be that as it may, they are still way too easy to 
obtain!
That should be fixed.
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron D'Eau Claire
  To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Senseless violence

  Yes - and over 100 more died yesterday in 
Baghdad alone.

  Our domestic tragedy is likely to spawn a whole 
new thrust to outlaw guns.
  I'm not a gun enthusiast nor am I a gun owner. 
I'm convinced that focusing
  on guns won't do any more to make our schools 
and towns safer than
  withdrawing from Iraq will make America safer.

  We had some highly disturbed kids in High School 
and College when I was in
  school. Sometimes they'd even suicide. What they 
didn't do was get a gun,
  chain doors closed and kill everyone they could. 
The pro-gun people have a
  point when they say that guns don't kill; people 
kill.

  I think it's way past time we take a long, hard 
look at our society and ask
  why we teach that violence and murder is 
"acceptable". We do it in the games
  we give our children, in our stories and in our 
affairs with other people,
  like Iraq.

  We have done just that for decades, all while 
decrying any idea of
  compulsory military service as something that 
would debase our children.

  Clearly, something has gone terribly wrong in 
American society. Like Iraq,
  it won't get better doing the same thing we've 
been doing.

  I'm sure we'll soon leave Iraq. Not because we 
were successful, but because
  we were not. Because we are incompetent and 
powerless to succeed there.
  Because we Americans are the author of 
bloodshed, violence and terror on a
  scale that makes freedom-loving, sensitive 
people cry out in anguish.

  Can we do better here at home?

  Will we?

  Ron D'Eau Claire

  -----Original Message-----
  From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com 
[mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
  Behalf Of David Morelli
  Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:54 PM
  To: grovenet
  Subject: [Grovenet] Senseless violence

  We had a day of senseless violence, and our 
thoughts go out to the
  survivors and the families of more than 30 
people who died at
  Virginia Tech.

  Those unnecessary deaths of innocent people by a 
psychopath in the US
  has pushed out of the news other unnecessary 
deaths in other countries.

  In a county of 300 million, a day with 30+ 
violent deaths in one
  incident is sufficient to shake us.

  In Iraq, a country of 27 million, they encounter 
more than 30 violent
  deaths from car bombs, suicide bombs, and death 
squads on an average
  day.

  4 years, 60,000+ reported unnecessary, violent 
civilian deaths due to
  the war in Iraq.  Possibly 10x that number in 
excess deaths
  attributed to the war and failure of the public 
systems.

  Who died?
  http://www.iraqbodycount.net/names.php

  David

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