[Grovenet] Senseless violence

[Ed Davie]

Yes. It's not the whole thing. There are many 
factors involved.
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron D'Eau Claire
  To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Senseless violence


  You might be right Ed, but it was very easy to 
get guns when I was a kid. I
  used to go target shooting with buddies. Why 
didn't we see the current death
  rate then?

  Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) are surely 
to be the fascination of many
  disturbed people - people of ALL ages. If one is 
too stupid to figure how to
  mix a few common chemicals together instructions 
are available on the
  internet for a whole range of devices.

  IEDs are, after all, it's the latest way to 
express one's frustration and
  dissatisfaction with others or society in 
general. Glamorous. Exciting.
  Making a huge point! What more could such a 
person want?

  Timothy McVey didn't need to use a gun. Clearly, 
he didn't want to use a
  gun. He had much bigger plans.

  Saying that guns are too easy to obtain is like 
saying there are too many
  people are dying or being seriously injured in 
auto accidents. That's a real
  concern, but it doesn't say a thing about why 
people are being injured and
  killed.

  Ron D'Eau Claire



  -----Original Message-----
  From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com 
[mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
  Behalf Of Ed Davie
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:20 AM
  To: Forest Grove local interests list
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Senseless violence


  Be that as it may, they are still way too easy 
to
  obtain!
  That should be fixed.
  Ed
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ron D'Eau Claire
    To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
    Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:39 AM
    Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Senseless violence


    Yes - and over 100 more died yesterday in
  Baghdad alone.

    Our domestic tragedy is likely to spawn a 
whole
  new thrust to outlaw guns.
    I'm not a gun enthusiast nor am I a gun owner.
  I'm convinced that focusing
    on guns won't do any more to make our schools
  and towns safer than
    withdrawing from Iraq will make America safer.

    We had some highly disturbed kids in High 
School
  and College when I was in
    school. Sometimes they'd even suicide. What 
they
  didn't do was get a gun,
    chain doors closed and kill everyone they 
could.
  The pro-gun people have a
    point when they say that guns don't kill; 
people
  kill.

    I think it's way past time we take a long, 
hard
  look at our society and ask
    why we teach that violence and murder is
  "acceptable". We do it in the games
    we give our children, in our stories and in 
our
  affairs with other people,
    like Iraq.

    We have done just that for decades, all while
  decrying any idea of
    compulsory military service as something that
  would debase our children.

    Clearly, something has gone terribly wrong in
  American society. Like Iraq,
    it won't get better doing the same thing we've
  been doing.

    I'm sure we'll soon leave Iraq. Not because we
  were successful, but because
    we were not. Because we are incompetent and
  powerless to succeed there.
    Because we Americans are the author of
  bloodshed, violence and terror on a
    scale that makes freedom-loving, sensitive
  people cry out in anguish.

    Can we do better here at home?

    Will we?

    Ron D'Eau Claire




    -----Original Message-----
    From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com
  [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
    Behalf Of David Morelli
    Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:54 PM
    To: grovenet
    Subject: [Grovenet] Senseless violence


    We had a day of senseless violence, and our
  thoughts go out to the
    survivors and the families of more than 30
  people who died at
    Virginia Tech.

    Those unnecessary deaths of innocent people by 
a
  psychopath in the US
    has pushed out of the news other unnecessary
  deaths in other countries.

    In a county of 300 million, a day with 30+
  violent deaths in one
    incident is sufficient to shake us.

    In Iraq, a country of 27 million, they 
encounter
  more than 30 violent
    deaths from car bombs, suicide bombs, and 
death
  squads on an average
    day.

    4 years, 60,000+ reported unnecessary, violent
  civilian deaths due to
    the war in Iraq.  Possibly 10x that number in
  excess deaths
    attributed to the war and failure of the 
public
  systems.

    Who died?
    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/names.php

    David


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