[Grovenet] A Different Christmas Poem

Fri Dec 14 10:52:02 PST 2007

Ron said: "Frankly, I'm completely fed up with both
parties."  Me, too, Ron -- I think a lot of folks are --
& am also "proud to be an independent," neither Dem
nor Repub.  For many years now, I have merely been
way more repulsed by the behavior of the Repugnicans.

BTW, I really believe both elections (2000 - thanks,
Florida, & 2004 - thanks, Ohio and others) were stolen.
In 2000 the Bush crime family including Rove were afraid
to get to a final recount, and the Fla. Supremes (friends
of Jeb and Dad) weighed in with the stupid statement
or their decision that W. "could suffer irreparable harm!"
if the vote recount was allowed to continue.  Bizarre.

For 2004, an excellent article is here:
http://tinyurl.com/ogrhq .

If you ever have the chance to see the documentary
"Hacking Democracy" it's worth watching ... and makes
one think.

Ron said: "The Republican party is the party of fiscal
conservatism."  Well, it used to be!  Or at least that
has traditionally been their excuse for not caring for
citizenry much beyond their own "set."  Now, this
Repub prez and the formerly Repub Congress have sky-
rocketed the US into national debt beyond anything
we've ever seen.

Ron said: "... blue stubborn jackasses and red obese
self-centered red pachyderms ..."  Good one, Ron.  :)
The actual animals would be offended by the current
parties being represented by them.  ;)

Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz>
To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] A Different Christmas Poem

>I agree, Geri, with everything but the "stolen election". 
> 
> Yes, it's possible the first election should have been decided differently,
> but:
> 
> 1) It was close enough to be swung the way it went. That means that, within
> a tiny percentage, half of the American voters wanted President Bush in
> office. 
> 
> 2) We had another election since and, again, the American voters chose
> President Bush. This time they knew what he was doing and they approved it! 
> 
> The "Republicrazies" are trying to suggest the Iraq war was the invention of
> the Congress, not the President.
> 
> I'm hearing more often from "Democrazies" that somehow the Republicans stole
> two elections from the American people. 
> 
> Neither is true. If the Dems want to win an election, WIN it! Don't say,
> "Gee we had 50.00000000000001% of the vote, we think, so we should have
> won!"  
> 
> After the first election, there was public sentiment toward finding better
> ways to be sure who won a close election. NOTHING substantive has been done
> about that. The American public is quite willing to continue on much the way
> we always have.
> 
> Frankly, I'm completely fed up with both parties. They have good symbols:
> blue stubborn jackasses and red obese self-centered red pachyderms. It's
> amazing how many people identify with one or the other. 
> 
> Ron (who is proud to be an independent) D'Eau Claire  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
> Behalf Of Geri
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:22 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] A Different Christmas Poem
> 
> 
> Yes, I recall that, too: the messing around with the overseas ballots back
> then.  I find it heartbreaking that those of honor with the intent to serve
> our USA through military duty, are doing so and risking all they have
> because of the greed and other unjust agendas of the war criminals we
> currently have in office (through a stolen election, no less).
> 
> To me, "supporting the troops" doesn't mean saying to them "Rah, rah, rah!"
> or putting on a bumper sticker.  Maybe send them *prepared.*  Maybe count
> their votes.  Maybe make darned sure they and their families are taken care
> of when they return injured and/or with PTSD.  It's even sad that so many
> troops have been cut off from knowing more of the truth behind the whole
> operation.
> 
> And thanks for the links, David.
> 
> Geri
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Morelli" <jo.david at verizon.net>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] A Different Christmas Poem
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Geri wrote:
>> 
>>> I always check things that purport to be from one of our military
>>> folks, so I found this:
>>>
>>> http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/glurge/different.asp
>>>
>>> On that page, scroll down and read the "Origins" section ---
>>> interesting & poignant background to this poem ...
>>>
>>> Geri
>> 
>> Ah yes, I recall that there was some question about the validity of 
>> absentee ballots from overseas posts with regard to post date.  And
>> that those ballots may have been significant to the outcome of the  
>> election.
>> 
>> Conservative position:
>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15606
>> 
>> Liberal position:
>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jul2001/vote-j19.shtml
>> 
>> How curious.  We would have had the disaster of 9-11 no matter who was 
>> President, but it is doubtful that we would have had the military
>> deaths in Iraq if Bush had lost.  And quite possibly Bush would have  
>> lost Florida and the election if the military vote in Florida had  
>> been counted differently, i.e. the post mark issue.
>> 
>> 
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