[Grovenet] America's Trillion-Dollar Baby

[Steven]

Still won't bring down the income to the city via property tax.

David Morelli wrote:
> Short term yes.  Longer term, some of the buildings will be empty or  
> their rental value will decline which affects their market value.
>
> David
>
> On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Steven wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, that would be expected. But the businesses and rental owners  
>> still
>> pay the same property tax. A decrease in people would mean less demand
>> for parks.
>>
>> David Morelli wrote:
>>     
>>> Ask anyone who operates a business on Main Street or Pacific Avenue
>>> if they have noticed a change.  The ones I have spoken with, have
>>> seen a reduction, as the Pacific staff associated with the graduate
>>> programs and the families of the graduate students changed their
>>> shopping focus to Hillsboro.  I would expect that the rental market
>>> has also seen a reduction, since a large segment of the graduate
>>> students have traditionally lived off campus, and many have families.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Steven wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> How does the grad prgram fit into the equation? PU doesn't pay prop
>>>> taxes. The students don't run businesses. What income is derived
>>>> for the
>>>> city in this venture?.
>>>>
>>>> David Morelli wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> No, I am saying that our tax base is shifting from one that was  
>>>>> based
>>>>> upon an urban mix to one based upon a suburban mix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Formerly, we had a city with businesses and residences providing a
>>>>> tax base with residents and workers representing the consumption
>>>>> base.  Now, we are moving to a city with a reduced percentage of  
>>>>> tax
>>>>> base coming from business and an increase in consumption coming  
>>>>> from
>>>>> residents.
>>>>>
>>>>> The mantra that has been around for a long time goes, "residential
>>>>> land doesn't support residential services, it needs to be  
>>>>> subsidized
>>>>> by business land."
>>>>>
>>>>> In the case of Matshushita and the Pacific graduate programs, they
>>>>> grew by leaving Forest Grove which reduced in-town and out-of-town
>>>>> employees.  In the case of Pacific, I understand that the city
>>>>> financially assisted them in their effort to leave.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Are you saying that local businesses cost the city money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise how can the fact that a business grows by hiring an out-
>>>>>> of-town
>>>>>> employee cause an imbalance in the city's budget?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron D'Eau Claire
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>>>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of David Morelli
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:38 AM
>>>>>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] America's Trillion-Dollar Baby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Carol:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> That raises an interesting question: What percentage of the  
>>>>>>> 20,000
>>>>>>> residents of Forest Grove work in Forest Grove? I suspect it's  
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> than half, but I don't know. Also, I suspect it's a declining
>>>>>>> number. The number of commuters is growing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if it's a fairly small number who commute, that means that
>>>>>>> Forest Grove is being driven not by the needs of the community we
>>>>>>> call Forest Grove, but by the needs of the larger Portland
>>>>>>> metropolitan area. I suspect we are already simply another
>>>>>>> "neighborhood" of that metropolis. And it's a growing metropolis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron D'Eau Claire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Good questions.  I would suggest that we ask the inverse as well.
>>>>>> What percentage of the jobs in the Forest Grove vicinity are  
>>>>>> filled
>>>>>> by persons commuting into Forest Grove?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some time in the last few decades, the jobs and workers were in
>>>>>> rough
>>>>>> balance.  Since that time it has fallen out of balance and is  
>>>>>> moving
>>>>>> further away.  The loss of Matshushita and the Pacific University
>>>>>> graduate programs hurt those numbers just recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That imbalance is a likely suspect for the imbalance in the city's
>>>>>> budget.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
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