[Grovenet] Our illustrious leader....

Wed Jan 17 20:41:57 PST 2007

No. I saw that. That was one of the reports that convinced me the
administration is working on shifting the blame. Sure Iran is causing
trouble. So is Syria and probably half a dozen other countries. Iraq is a
rich price that is "up for grabs" as soon as we leave, and they've proven
that all they need do is shoot a few Americans and we're ready to pull our
people out and run home as quickly as we can. 

We may not know it, but they know that Americans have the attention span of
a two-year old watching paint dry. They knew from day one that all they had
to do was hold out for a couple of years and we'd be ready to pull out,
leaving the country to the next tough guy to take over. 

Only an idiot ever had the idea that a US-supported government in Baghdad
could stand up to that all by themselves. I simply don't buy our
administration being that stupid. Insisting that Iraq has a working
government was  only in the first move in "shifting the blame" and then, so
those poor guys can struggle along, we're including Iran since we realize
now that we're going to have to paint them very black since they are
pursuing a nuclear program. 

Ron D'Eau Claire 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Our illustrious leader....

I guess you guys missed the interview on 60min and his speech a few days 
ago.
He absolutely puts the blame on the Iraq PM  for not doing what they 
could to stop the violence in Iraq; and Iran for supplying and 
supporting the violent factions.

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Watching the news, I'm convinced that the President's staff is 
> carefully building a case for blaming all the problems in Iraq on 
> Iran. They are sending in the insurgents. They are promoting unrest. 
> They are building nuclear bombs. And so on...
>
> Every school kid learns the importance of "shifting the blame". And 
> with so many people wanting a piece of Iraq, there are a lot of 
> candidates. But none, I think, so clearly identified by the 
> administration as Iran.
>
> That way Iran is indisputably the "bad guy" we're simply victims along 
> with the good Iraqis and the options for the next President (or even 
> President Bush in the last year of his term) are wide open.
>
> Ron D'Eau Claire
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] 
> On Behalf Of Allen Warren
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:06 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Our illustrious leader....
>
>
> Katie, here's what I've come to realize but will never agree with or 
> accept about our president: he has his own agenda and once he's 
> decided what he wants to do, no events or people will sway him 
> otherwise.  He takes the title "Commander in Chief" quite literally.  
> Mistakes in Iraq?  He believes the only mistake was not sending in 
> more troops 2+ years ago.  And whereas he states he takes full 
> responsibility for the outcome of his decision, I have no doubt he's 
> already played this out like a chess match and will lay blame on the 
> next inhabitant of the White House in 2 years.  Notice how the 
> president keeps saying "this will take time"?  He's got the next 
> president all lined up in the crosshairs.  All Bush has to do is say 
> "he didn't follow through on the excellent, detailed, winning strategy 
> I had in place."  This will cover an immediate withdrawal or an 
> extended stay.  That's why Bush MUST extend our stay in Iraq.  It's 
> the only way he can keep his dictatorship going until  the next in 
> line comes in, and Bush is already figuring the way the recent 
> elections went it's highly probable the next president will be a 
> Democrat.  But even if the next person is a Republican, it's pretty 
> clear Bush won't bat an eye cannibalizing his own party to save what 
> he believes is a stellar (sic) image.
>
> As for Bush's remarks about the American people, it's been evident for 
> years Bush doesn't have a flaming clue or even care what the American 
> people really think or want.  For all of Bush's visits to various 
> parts of the US, his people line up staunch, cult-following disciples 
> of the president to fawn all over him and tell him what great things 
> he's doing for our troops and country.
>
> And now I'm going to tell you about a nightmare I keep having: what if 
> Bush decides the "war" in Iraq and the "war" on terror is so critical 
> that he needs to remain in office and chooses to disregard the 22nd 
> amendment because "we're still in a time of war and great crisis and 
> as Commander in Chief it's my responsibility and duty to protect the 
> American people"?
>  
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: allnutt <allnutt at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:14:19 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Our illustrious leader....
>
>
> In case you missed the Bush interview on the News Hour last night here 
> is one our illustrious leaders thoughts on how some people pay the 
> ultimate sacrifice in our war of the century and how others shouldn't 
> be asked to pay a penny more in taxes because they too sacrifice.....
>
>
> MR. LEHRER: Let me ask you a bottom-line question, Mr. President. If 
> it is as important as you've just said - and you've said it many times 
> - as all of this is, particularly the struggle in Iraq, if it's that 
> important to all of us and to the future of our country, if not the 
> world, why have you not, as president of the United States, asked more 
> Americans and more American interests to sacrifice something? The 
> people who are now sacrificing are, you know, the volunteer military - 
> the Army and the U.S. Marines and their families. They're the only 
> people who are actually sacrificing anything at this point.
>
> PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this 
> fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible 
> images of violence on TV every night. I mean, we've got a fantastic 
> economy here in the United States, but yet, when you think about the 
> psychology of the country, it is somewhat down because of this war.
>
>
>
> .....
>
> So, there you have it straight from George's mouth.  In the struggle 
> between good and evil those of us without children on the battle front 
> do our part by sacrificing our peace of mind if we turn on the TV.  Oh 
> and wasn't it last week he said we should go shopping too? I guess 
> that asking us to save on gas is too much of a burden but asking our 
> grandchildren to pay the overdue bills for the billions we are 
> spending on this war is just fluff. I'm about ready to pull my hair 
> out because this dude thinks it is okay to recognize that things are 
> going south in Iraq by the summer of '06 but he waits until the end of 
> December to put any thought into what Plan B would look like.  Hey 
> dude up there in Washington - why couldn't you have worked on Plan B 
> in the summer instead of waiting for a few hundred more soldiers to 
> die  because you didn't want to voters think we weren't winning in 
> Iraq before the election?!!!
>
> If you want to read the whole interview with our 'illustrious leader' 
> it is at
>
> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june07/bush_01-16.html
>
> I recommend it only if you have the stomach for it.
>
>
> Thanks for letting me vent.
> Katie
>
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