[Grovenet] Ugly Politics...

Thu Mar 1 20:45:33 PST 2007

I think you understand. Earmarks are lousy, in my opinion, but used by both
sides. 

You  asked "Gee, Ron, you must have missed the whole debate over "earmarks"
during the last session. Did you just tune in?" 

I was observing how insanely stupid it was for the Democrats who tried it to
do so. 

Look at it this way. There's a huge pile of dog poop sitting in the middle
of the aisle in Congress. The Republicans ignored it, carefully avoiding
stepping in it because it was too visible to the voters. They found less
controversial ways to do it. Yes, that led to a big debate over earmarking,
but they weren't threatening our troops with shortages to get their pet pork
barrel projects launched. 

Then the Democrats get free reign and immediately stamp all over it shouting
"Hurray!!! It's our turn!!" 

So it makes headlines across America. Democrats will support the troops only
so long as their pet projects at home get funded while the Democratic
nutcases who did that parade around with sh*t all over their feet wondering
what the odd smell is. 

As usual, the party in power has a bunch of members doing everything they
can to make their part look bad. 

It's a problem with both parties and it's a problem with what us voters will
put up with in Congress. But come down to the ballot, a lot of people will
just run their marker down the side of the party they have sworn allegiance
to, even if they have ***** all over their feet or they like to play with
their female interns using cigars and then lie to the investigators. 

I found the story profoundly disappointing.

Ron D'Eau Claire 

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Ugly Politics...

Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying it's okay to slip in
earmarks 
without congressional review in any bill, as long as it's not in an Iraq war

appropriations bill, but it's not okay to insert and openly debate earmarks 
in the war appropriations bill? In the last session, the R's could slip in 
earmarks wherever they pleased, no need to wait for the Iraq bill.

On Thursday 01 March 2007 19:52, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Oh, no, Bud! I know about "earmarks". However, from the reports I 
> read, including the ones I cited here, the R's carefully avoided 
> earmarking the funding bills for the war.
>
> They saved that for other bills, like the Hurricane Katrina funding.
>
> Did you know of any earmarks attached to the war funding bills?
>
> As I said, to me it smacked of the same "...we're in charge now so 
> screw you..." attitude that some members of both the Democrats and 
> Republican parties seem to enjoy flaunting whenever they can. It's why 
> I refuse to join either bunch of ...er..."gentlemen and ladies".
>
> It takes a two-year-old mentality to say "It's okay because THEY did 
> it!" and the Democrats who support earmarking now are simply 
> demonstrating their two-year-old mentality.
>
> Like the Republicans, not all Democrats agree with that. I support 
> them. They are the best of America - and they come from both parties.
>
> Ron D'Eau Claire
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] 
> On Behalf Of Meredith Bliss
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:49 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Ugly Politics...
>
>
> Gee, Ron, you must have missed the whole debate over "earmarks" during 
> the last session. Did you just tune in?
>
> On Wednesday 28 February 2007 20:38, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > Want to cite an example, or are you passing off personal wishes as 
> > fact?
> >
> > Ron D'Eau Claire
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]
> > On Behalf Of Meredith Bliss
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:33 PM
> > To: Forest Grove local interests list
> > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Ugly Politics...
> >
> >
> > Oh yeah? Under the R's, all of the spending would have been slipped 
> > into the
> >
> > bill the night before the vote and no one would know about it until 
> > months later.
> >
> > On Wednesday 28 February 2007 14:47, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > > Democrat style:
> > >
> > > WASHINGTON - While Democrats try to restrict how President Bush 
> > > can spend the $100 billion he wants for Iraq, they also hope to 
> > > load his measure up with $10 billion in add-ons - from aid for 
> > > avocado growers to help for children lacking health insurance...
> > >
> > > Bush and GOP leaders on Capitol Hill managed to keep prior war 
> > > funding bills largely free of such budgetary add-ons when 
> > > Republicans controlled Congress. Now that Democrats are in charge, 
> > > the party's leaders are eager to use the cost of the war as 
> > > leverage to force Bush to accept spending - such as aid to farmers 
> > > - that he has successfully killed in the past.
> > >
> > > "It's starting to become a train onto which a lot of baggage is 
> > > being thrown that has got nothing to do with the war or really 
> > > legitimate emergencies," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H.
> > >
> > > Countered Obey: "We will only fund what is necessary."
> > >
> > > Whatever is added to the bill in the House is likely to grow in 
> > > the freer-spending Senate.
> > >
> > > Full story at: 
> > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070228/ap_on_go_co/iraq_add_ons;_ylt=A
> > >p_
> > >No
> > >QbKN
> > >Q HJj7MsLPJLSRgb.3QA
> > > Or
> > > http://tinyurl.com/384uqy
> > >
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > > For six years the President and Republican supporters have made 
> > > the Democrats look good.
> > >
> > > Now the Democrats are in control in Congress and immediately start 
> > > making the President and the Republicans look good.
> > >
> > > Sigh...
> > >
> > > Ron D'Eau Claire
> > >
> > >
> > >
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