[Grovenet] Is VP Cheney Next?

Wed Mar 7 19:17:49 PST 2007

I advocate prosecuting those who did wrong regardless of the immediate
consequences for the same reason I advocate our taking responsibility for
the mess in Iraq. 

Certain things are our moral responsibilities. One of them is to not
tolerate a President or Vice President who has violated the law of our land.
The moment we say "It serves us best to go along with it for now.." we've
done exactly what the people of Germany did in the 1930's. 

I believe that, in the long view,  "situational morality" always causes more
pain that honesty.

Ron D'Eau Claire  

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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:55 PM
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I apologize for not being clear in my response.

I did understand the succession path when I wrote my response.  I was trying
to focus more on the hope and prayer that those considering starting
impeachment proceedings take that Long View of what the future might look
like with each of the potential successors in the Driver's seat.

Allen Warren

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From: Ron D'Eau Claire <rondec at easystreet.com>
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But the USA is not Iraq. 

Since the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, if they were removed as a
'set' or if the President failed to appoint a VP before being removed,
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would take over. If something happened to
Ms. Pelosi, Senator Robert Byrd, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate is
next in line, followed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. There are at
least another dozen people in line behind her should the worst happen, so
the idea that we'd be without a Chief Executive for the remainder of the
present term would require the most extreme situation imaginable. 

Ron D'Eau Claire 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:25 PM
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Personally, before I would consider thoughts of removing Cheney first and
possibly Bush second, I'd want to first review the scenarios of what would
happen & what could be plans for a change in both the President and
Vice-President.  It wasn't that long ago where a campaign was completed that
removed the leader of a certain country yet it became painfully apparent
very quickly the planning only focused on removal of that leader and not the
options/plans on what to do after the leader was removed from power.  And
yes, I'm talking about our current Administration only planning for the
overthrow of Saddam Hussein and not necessarily what to do after.  Or at
least it seems to me that's what was and was not planned.

And I used to fall into the trap of focusing on the task or view at hand
until a wise former manager said one day, "have you considered what could
transpire after you complete that project campaign?"  He then peppered me
with question after question after question until I felt overwhelmed.  But
it did make me think.  And that's when this manager then handed me an
excellent book by Peter Schwartz titled "The Art of the Long View: Planning
for the Future in an Uncertain World".

Feels like this is one of those times in History we could really use a
Visionary Leader in Government.

Allen Warren

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From: Ron D'Eau Claire <rondec at easystreet.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 3:27:19 PM
Subject: [Grovenet] Is VP Cheney Next?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House offered support on Wednesday for Vice
President Dick Cheney, a powerful proponent of the Iraq war, after the
conviction of his top aide dealt a fresh blow to Cheney's political
reputation and raised new questions about his influence. 

The trial of Lewis "Scooter" Libby showed Cheney, often portrayed by critics
as the shadowy Darth Vader behind the war in Iraq, was deeply involved in an
effort to discredit a critic of the administration's prewar intelligence.

Libby's conviction on perjury and obstruction of justice charges placed
Cheney squarely in the center of a new political storm....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070307/ts_nm/usa_cheney_dc_1

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If VP Cheney were to fall, I'd hope to see the President next. 

As a strong proponent for fixing our mess in Iraq, I have to ask myself if
I'd support impeaching the VP and President if it meant a hasty troop
pullout leaving Iraq to the insurgents. 

I think I would. Hopefully we could return to the idea of helping Iraq
recover once we had a trustworthy, functioning executive branch in the USA
again, but it seems to me that anything we do right now will be only what we
do right by accident. 

That's not good enough by far.

Ron D'Eau Claire 

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