[Grovenet] Fw: Personal CO2 footprint

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

What I said then is true now. There is nothing wrong with "carbon". It's
essential to life on earth. *Burning* carbon is another issue, if you let
the byproducts loose into the atmosphere. 
 
I only objected to saying we had to rid our planet of carbon because it was
"bad". That's not correct. What we need to do is limit how much of it we
burn! 
 
The "carbon credits" are just that: a measure of how much carbon each nation
is allowed to burn, or to trade away for others to burn. 
 
I had a small issue with  the gentleman who called carbon a  greenhouse
pollutant and couldn't distinguish between carbon and carbon dioxide. 
And I do feel a bit concerned about the "general" usage of terms like that.
It's how wanton and  destructive prejudices arise in our culture. After a
while "everyone knows" something is bad but no one can remember why or how
it happened. 
 
That's how we ended up burning innocent women at the stake as witches a few
hundred years ago along with a thousand  other terrors we unleashed on
others in recent history. 
 
I don't believe for a second that it can't happen again. All it takes is
misinformation spread among the ignorant, especially when the ignorant make
up a large segment of our population and we find ourselves under the sort of
life-threatening stresses something like climate change can bring. 
 
How else do you think the radical Muslim Ayatollahs and  Imams get people to
eagerly blow themselves up to kill a few "infidels"? They are just people.
There's nothing genetically different about them. 
 
It can happen here in America just as easily. All we have to do is promote
and encourage disinformation, ignorance and fear in times of stress.  
 
Ron D'Eau Claire 
 
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Bob Browning
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Fw: Personal CO2 footprint


Do you all recall the fight several years ago over the use of the word
"carbon" as a referent to "carbon dioxide emissions". What a hoot as we look
back and see that it is now commonly accepted usage!!

bob "who started that, anyhow??" browning

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


Interesting that you bring that up right now Ed, with the news covering that

rising support in the Congress for huge subsidies to the coal industry to

provide us with more locally-developed fuels by converting goal to liquid

products. The watchword is "Energy Independence". Not a bad watchword and

long overdue, but the emphasis seems to be on flooding our society with

abundant converted coal fuels to run our cars and everything else at prices

below their normal cost (thanks to the billions in subsidies and profit

guarantees in the bills being considered) so people can fill up and run

their gas-guzzlers cheaper without any guilt over supporting the Arab

states. 



If I think about that too much I like the dog that bit his own tail. They're

talking about reducing "greenhouse gasses" too. It's quite a juggling act:

business sees an opportunity and it's moving into the vacuum left by years

of poor leadership in Washington. The business opportunity is, of course, to

funnel all those dollars we're sending to the middle east into US jobs and

the US economy. That's very, very good, but it's only one of the pressing

issues we face. 



http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/2007/05/29/us_lawmakers_push_coal_subs

idies/5108/



Or 



http://tinyurl.com/3ex3fv



Ron 



-----Original Message-----

From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On

Behalf Of Ed Davie

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:35 PM

To: Grovenet, F.G.

Subject: [Grovenet] Fw: Personal CO2 footprint





Oops! My mistake, should have said only 6.8 

planets. Whew!





----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ed Davie

To: Grovenet, F.G.

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:32 PM

Subject: Personal CO2 footprint





I think we may have done this before but it may 

have changed.



http://www.myfootprint.org/



My score? 30! We would need 8.5 planets if I am 

typical.



Ed