[Grovenet] If you missed it...

[Steele, Mike]

Re Darwin and borrowing...the other chap was Alfred Wallace, who arrived
at similar conclusions and wrote a letter to Darwin sharing his
ideas...Darwin had been more or less sitting on the results of his
voyage two decades earlier...he was aware of the implications...when
Wallace contacted him, Darwin felt the urge to get his research into
print...and 1859 was the year in which _The Origin..._ was published.
Wallace lived into the 20th century, dying in 1913.  They had some
differences of opinion, but overall, they were in agreement as to the
broad outline.  See the works of Richard Dawkins on all of this.

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:55 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] If you missed it...

I was fascinated by the biology presented on both sides.
Who would have guessed that a group of proteins could wind themselves  
up in a group of shapes and make a motor?  And that a similar group  
of proteins could wind up as an injector? Talk about micro-mechanics.

There is some cool stuff that wasn't known when I was in 9th grade  
biology.

Oh, and just to complicate things even further, there is a parallel  
controversy over whether it was truly Darwin who came up with this  
theory or whether he 'borrowed' much of it from the writings of a  
working class  guy who made his living collecting beetles,  
butterflies, etc and sold them to the upper classes who had hobbies  
of collecting the most exotic and largest varieties of a species.  It  
is unclear if Darwin just managed to get his book published first  
while the other guy was on a slow boat back home.  Check out 'Song of  
the  Dodo' by David Quammen if you want religion, science, and  
intrigue in history.

Katie


On Nov 14, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Steele, Mike wrote:

> Katie...Geri and I watched this in great detail...I'll be purchasing a
> copy for PU--to use in a course I'll teach next spring.
>
> If anyone's interested, one of the key issues is "The Wedge"-- 
> tactics to
> be used to bring us all under the one tent as envisioned by those who
> support the ID folks and the culture they seek to impose on the  
> country.
> To wit, from Wikipedia:  "The wedge strategy is a political and social
> action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the
> intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery
> Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document,[1] which describes a
> broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to
> "defeat [scientific] materialism" represented by evolution,  
> "reverse the
> stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science  
> consonant
> with Christian and theistic convictions"[2] and to "affirm the reality
> of God."[3] Its goal is to "renew" American culture by shaping public
> policy to reflect conservative Christian values.[4]"
>
> --Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
> bounces at rdrop.com] On
> Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:23 AM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: [Grovenet] If you missed it...
>
> I almost didn't watch the show on last night about the trial in Dover
> PA regarding teaching evolution in science class, but since I have a
> science teacher friend I thought I would.
> Goodness, gracious as my grandmother used to say, it was a good
> show.  If you missed it, set your VCR or TiVo to record it as it
> repeats on Thursday at 2 am and 11 pm.
>
> I was most impressed by the teachers who thought they were goners
> because the judge assigned to the case was on record as supporting ID
> and claiming it should be taught in public schools.  Both sides lined
> up their experts and the trial captivated the community for the whole
> 6 weeks of the testimony and the weeks after while the judge was
> deciding the outcome.
>
> If you want to learn something about science and intelligent design,
> what they are and what they are not, and learn something about the
> law and what it means to claim that the constitution can or can not
> teach a topic in a science class I recommend that you watch this. I
> won't give away the ending if you don't recall the verdict from the
> news a while back but just note that a battle about the establishment
> clause can keep you on the edge of your seat wondering how the judge
> is going to rule.
>
> Katie
>
>
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