[Grovenet] Carbon Credit.

[Steven]

You needed Al to get you to do these things? Remember the y2k scare? I 
guess it was good for the economy.
I'm not sure, did Al clean all that up before or after he invented the 
internet?
Going green is a good thing. Don't give Al the credit for that.
Al Gore's investments will better Al Gore. That is the point.

Katie Allnutt wrote:
> Ooohhhh. Is this supposed to scare us just before Halloween?
> At our house we have switched our light bulbs for compact fluorescent  
> ones and installed a programmable thermostat. Guess what? We are  
> saving money.  Poor us for paying attention to Al Gore.
> Not to mention the asthmatics who are benefited from lower  
> particulate levels in the air.
> 
> And so what if Gore started this 'before the science reports were  
> written'. Gore has been studying global warming since the '80's and  
> before.  The more accurate way to look at this is to say he waited  
> too long rather than to claim he jumped the gun.
> 
> Sure Al could do more to reduce his carbon footprint. So can we all.   
> He is not the hypocrite in all this blah blah blah, back and forth  
> over global warming.  The Bill Hobbs of the world claim that fixing  
> global warming will harm the economy but complain when Al Gore might  
> be making investments and helping the economy on global warming issues.
> 
> Do you remember when the Cuyahoga River was so polluted it caught on  
> fire? Before that all the industrialists were saying pollution would  
> take care of itself and they had no responsibility to do anything  
> about it.  The generation that cleaned up the river looked back on  
> the old polluters with less than admiration.  They bit the bullet and  
> put the regulations in place to fix the problem. It takes a long time  
> and hard work to undo such damage.  But you have to start somewhere.  
> Heck, even WalMart is trying to go green.
> 
> Al Gore's grandkids won't be ashamed of what he tried to do in his  
> lifetime.  I have some doubts about Bill Hobbs' grandkids.
> 
> Katie
> 
> PS A couple of claims of $10 thousand in under investigated campaign  
> contributions pale in comparison to the millions and billions that go  
> uninvestigated or obstructed in problems with today's no bid  
> contracts and Duke Cunningham exploits.  Somebody has a problem with  
> orders of magnitude. Maybe that is where the order to remove the  
> entire tree trunk from your own eye before you go pointing out the  
> sliver in someone else's comes from.
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 29, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Steven wrote:
> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/36nsko
>> Al Gore's Inconvenient Loot
>> Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making  
>> machine capable
>> of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including
>> himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to  
>> play on
>> Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore  
>> staffer and
>> fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ,  
>> before
>> Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton
>> years.
>>
>> As Bill Hobbs first pointed out, Gore supposedly pays for his extra- 
>> large
>> carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (GIM) -  
>> and if
>> you're looking to go green, and have your wallet go along with  
>> Gore, think
>> again - average people are too insignificant to play - verifiable  
>> from this
>> pdf.
>>
>> Generation is based in London, with its U.S. offices in Washington,  
>> DC. The
>> firm will manage the assets of institutional investors such as pension
>> funds, foundations and endowments, as well as those of select high  
>> net worth
>> individuals.* Generation expects to make extensive use of long-term
>> performance based fees. Generation will begin its investment  
>> management
>> business in early 2005.
>>
>> * like Al Gore
>>
>> Gore's company, GIM was specifically established to take financial  
>> advantage
>> of new technologies and solutions related to combating Global  
>> Warming. The
>> Global Warming crowd has told us that just recently new science  
>> emerged
>> confirming the alleged fact that Global Warming is man made. So, ask
>> yourself, why is it that Gore set up his Green money machine three  
>> years ago
>> back in 2004? Is it possible Gore knew what the science would say  
>> before it
>> was out? And even if not, can an individual who stands to make  
>> millions from
>> Global Warming really be trusted as an honest broker on that topic?  
>> Talk
>> about giving the fox the keys to the hen penthouse.
>>
>> Even if Global Warming did exist, in principle, what's the difference
>> between war profiteering and this? One could justifiably argue that  
>> Gore is
>> taking advantage of, in his opinion, a catastrophic situation to  
>> clean up -
>> and I don't mean the environment.
>>
>>
>> Here's a list indicating what it takes to make money along with Al.  
>> Funds
>> associated with these companies have placed millions of dollars  
>> under Al
>> Gore's control. And, as you'll see below, Gore's selection for the US
>> President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows as well.
>>
>> AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - BECTON DICKINSON & CO  
>> BLACKBAUD
>> INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC -
>> LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - NORTHERN TR CORP -  
>> NUVEEN INVTS
>> INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - UBS AG - VCA ANTECH  
>> INC -
>> WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC
>>
>> According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy  
>> companies
>> poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns. If we borrow John  
>> Edward's
>> so-called two Americas concept for a second, this all means higher  
>> prices
>> and taxes with more regulation and an altered standard of living  
>> for people
>> like you and me, while Al Gore sits ensconced in his other America  
>> reaping
>> profits from each new government mandate for us, business and even
>> government itself. It's win win, alright, but mostly for Al.
>>
>> To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. Knight, an old friend and
>> colleague some are sure to recall, as the US President of GIM.
>>
>> Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director Met West Financial,  
>> lawyer,
>> Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) from 1977-1989, and Campaign
>> Manager for President Clinton's successful re-election in 1996, is  
>> President
>> of Generation U.S.
>>
>> This would be him:   Reno Rejects Inquiry Into a Clinton Aide
>>
>> Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any further investigation of Peter
>> Knight, Pres Clinton's 1996 campaign manager in connection with office
>> building development in nation's capital; such an investigation  
>> could have
>> led to naming independent counsel to look further into activities  
>> of Knight,
>> who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres Al Gore.
>>
>> Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found out how $20,000 in  
>> stock turned
>> up in an account for Knight's then 13 year old child.
>>
>> Dispute over Democratic Party campaign-financing shifts to Zachary  
>> Knight,
>> 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, Clinton-Gore campaign chairman  
>> in 1996,
>> who was given $20,000 in stock by William Haney 3d, chairman of  
>> Molten Metal
>> Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, which came after father  
>> was named
>> chairman of campaign, was really payment to Knight, who had worked as
>> $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight denies involvement in  
>> any
>> impropriety; photo
>>
>> If Gore's motivation in pushing Global Warming is so altruistic,  
>> was it
>> really necessarily for the already wealthy Gore to establish a  
>> multi-million
>> dollar corporation in England to cash in? And given the history of  
>> Gore and
>> Knight, are these people we should trust to drive a re-vamping of  
>> the world
>> economy at the same time they're lining their pockets because of  
>> our much
>> smaller carbon footprints?
>>
>> If Al Gore is successful with this latest scheme, Gore and his  
>> cronies are
>> going to be much more $green$ than most of the earth. And the only  
>> green in
>> this for you and me is the kind that accompanies envy as Gore  
>> trucks around
>> on private jets putting dollars to offset his extravagance into a cash
>> machine generating profits on the backs of the middle class with
>> misrepresented science that doesn't deserve to be called science at  
>> all.
>>
>> Mr. Gore starts out, ironically enough, asserting the importance of
>> peer-reviewed science. I call this ironic because the  
>> misrepresentation that
>> follows (a) hasn’t been peer reviewed, and (b) the peer-reviewed  
>> literature
>> contradicts the misrepresentation.
>>
>>> From the Center For Public Integrity: one of the issues involving  
>>> both
>> Knight and carbon friendly Al was the installation of a hot tub and  
>> steam
>> shower in the Master Bedroom of the VP's house. How Green is that?
>>
>> Here's what the Center found about some of the most generous  
>> contributors to
>> the foundation: Peter S. Knight...
>>
>> Peter S. Knight, Gore's former chief of staff, managed Gore's first  
>> bid for
>> the presidency in 1988. In 1989, he began lobbying for the firm  
>> Wunder,
>> Diefendorfer, Cannon and Thelan. Given his closeness to Gore and  
>> the rest of
>> the Clinton administration, corporations now pay Knight upward of  
>> $10,000 a
>> month to wield his influence with Gore. With the help of his new  
>> clients,
>> Knight soon cemented a new role for himself as Gore's "chief of fund
>> raising."
>>
>> Since 1996, Knight's various lobbying and fund-raising activity has  
>> been the
>> subject of a Federal Election Commission investigation, a Justice  
>> Department
>> inquiry and two House Commerce Committee probes.
>>
>> Gore chose Knight to act as chairman of the foundation during  
>> Gore's first
>> vice presidential term. Three of Knight's clients - millionaire  
>> publishing
>> magnate Vance Opperman, Bell Atlantic and Fluor Corporation —  
>> showered the
>> foundation with $10,000 each.
>>
>> Knight also solicited $10,000 contributions from foundations run by  
>> Atlantic
>> Richfield Company (ARCO), Coca-Cola Company, MCI Communications  
>> (now MCI
>> WorldCom, Inc.), Time Warner Inc. and Microsoft Corporation  
>> (Chairman Bill
>> Gates also contributed a $30,000 glass sculpture). Under Gore's  
>> supervision,
>> the foundation pledged to take corporate money only through their
>> foundations, not from corporations directly. The $10,000 paid by the
>> Coca-Cola Company, however, came out of the corporate account.
>>
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