[Grovenet] Carbon Credit.

Mon Oct 29 17:12:10 PDT 2007

And here we have proof that if something isn't worth saying, it's worth saying three times on the Internet.  

Thanks for the spam Steve!

Steven <NoSpam03 at comcast.net> wrote: It took Al to get you to swap bulbs?
The issue isn't that green is good. It is that Al is promoting the next y2k.
Can one of the scientists explain how the C02 levels moved the earth's 
orbit?

Katie Allnutt wrote:
> Ooohhhh. Is this supposed to scare us just before Halloween?
> At our house we have switched our light bulbs for compact fluorescent  
> ones and installed a programmable thermostat. Guess what? We are  
> saving money.  Poor us for paying attention to Al Gore.
> Not to mention the asthmatics who are benefited from lower  
> particulate levels in the air.
>
> And so what if Gore started this 'before the science reports were  
> written'. Gore has been studying global warming since the '80's and  
> before.  The more accurate way to look at this is to say he waited  
> too long rather than to claim he jumped the gun.
>
> Sure Al could do more to reduce his carbon footprint. So can we all.   
> He is not the hypocrite in all this blah blah blah, back and forth  
> over global warming.  The Bill Hobbs of the world claim that fixing  
> global warming will harm the economy but complain when Al Gore might  
> be making investments and helping the economy on global warming issues.
>
> Do you remember when the Cuyahoga River was so polluted it caught on  
> fire? Before that all the industrialists were saying pollution would  
> take care of itself and they had no responsibility to do anything  
> about it.  The generation that cleaned up the river looked back on  
> the old polluters with less than admiration.  They bit the bullet and  
> put the regulations in place to fix the problem. It takes a long time  
> and hard work to undo such damage.  But you have to start somewhere.  
> Heck, even WalMart is trying to go green.
>
> Al Gore's grandkids won't be ashamed of what he tried to do in his  
> lifetime.  I have some doubts about Bill Hobbs' grandkids.
>
> Katie
>
> PS A couple of claims of $10 thousand in under investigated campaign  
> contributions pale in comparison to the millions and billions that go  
> uninvestigated or obstructed in problems with today's no bid  
> contracts and Duke Cunningham exploits.  Somebody has a problem with  
> orders of magnitude. Maybe that is where the order to remove the  
> entire tree trunk from your own eye before you go pointing out the  
> sliver in someone else's comes from.
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Steven wrote:
>
>   
>> http://tinyurl.com/36nsko
>> Al Gore's Inconvenient Loot
>> Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making  
>> machine capable
>> of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including
>> himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to  
>> play on
>> Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore  
>> staffer and
>> fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ,  
>> before
>> Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton
>> years.
>>
>> As Bill Hobbs first pointed out, Gore supposedly pays for his extra- 
>> large
>> carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (GIM) -  
>> and if
>> you're looking to go green, and have your wallet go along with  
>> Gore, think
>> again - average people are too insignificant to play - verifiable  
>> from this
>> pdf.
>>
>> Generation is based in London, with its U.S. offices in Washington,  
>> DC. The
>> firm will manage the assets of institutional investors such as pension
>> funds, foundations and endowments, as well as those of select high  
>> net worth
>> individuals.* Generation expects to make extensive use of long-term
>> performance based fees. Generation will begin its investment  
>> management
>> business in early 2005.
>>
>> * like Al Gore
>>
>> Gore's company, GIM was specifically established to take financial  
>> advantage
>> of new technologies and solutions related to combating Global  
>> Warming. The
>> Global Warming crowd has told us that just recently new science  
>> emerged
>> confirming the alleged fact that Global Warming is man made. So, ask
>> yourself, why is it that Gore set up his Green money machine three  
>> years ago
>> back in 2004? Is it possible Gore knew what the science would say  
>> before it
>> was out? And even if not, can an individual who stands to make  
>> millions from
>> Global Warming really be trusted as an honest broker on that topic?  
>> Talk
>> about giving the fox the keys to the hen penthouse.
>>
>> Even if Global Warming did exist, in principle, what's the difference
>> between war profiteering and this? One could justifiably argue that  
>> Gore is
>> taking advantage of, in his opinion, a catastrophic situation to  
>> clean up -
>> and I don't mean the environment.
>>
>>
>> Here's a list indicating what it takes to make money along with Al.  
>> Funds
>> associated with these companies have placed millions of dollars  
>> under Al
>> Gore's control. And, as you'll see below, Gore's selection for the US
>> President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows as well.
>>
>> AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - BECTON DICKINSON & CO  
>> BLACKBAUD
>> INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC -
>> LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - NORTHERN TR CORP -  
>> NUVEEN INVTS
>> INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - UBS AG - VCA ANTECH  
>> INC -
>> WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC
>>
>> According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy  
>> companies
>> poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns. If we borrow John  
>> Edward's
>> so-called two Americas concept for a second, this all means higher  
>> prices
>> and taxes with more regulation and an altered standard of living  
>> for people
>> like you and me, while Al Gore sits ensconced in his other America  
>> reaping
>> profits from each new government mandate for us, business and even
>> government itself. It's win win, alright, but mostly for Al.
>>
>> To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. Knight, an old friend and
>> colleague some are sure to recall, as the US President of GIM.
>>
>> Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director Met West Financial,  
>> lawyer,
>> Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) from 1977-1989, and Campaign
>> Manager for President Clinton's successful re-election in 1996, is  
>> President
>> of Generation U.S.
>>
>> This would be him:   Reno Rejects Inquiry Into a Clinton Aide
>>
>> Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any further investigation of Peter
>> Knight, Pres Clinton's 1996 campaign manager in connection with office
>> building development in nation's capital; such an investigation  
>> could have
>> led to naming independent counsel to look further into activities  
>> of Knight,
>> who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres Al Gore.
>>
>> Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found out how $20,000 in  
>> stock turned
>> up in an account for Knight's then 13 year old child.
>>
>> Dispute over Democratic Party campaign-financing shifts to Zachary  
>> Knight,
>> 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, Clinton-Gore campaign chairman  
>> in 1996,
>> who was given $20,000 in stock by William Haney 3d, chairman of  
>> Molten Metal
>> Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, which came after father  
>> was named
>> chairman of campaign, was really payment to Knight, who had worked as
>> $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight denies involvement in  
>> any
>> impropriety; photo
>>
>> If Gore's motivation in pushing Global Warming is so altruistic,  
>> was it
>> really necessarily for the already wealthy Gore to establish a  
>> multi-million
>> dollar corporation in England to cash in? And given the history of  
>> Gore and
>> Knight, are these people we should trust to drive a re-vamping of  
>> the world
>> economy at the same time they're lining their pockets because of  
>> our much
>> smaller carbon footprints?
>>
>> If Al Gore is successful with this latest scheme, Gore and his  
>> cronies are
>> going to be much more $green$ than most of the earth. And the only  
>> green in
>> this for you and me is the kind that accompanies envy as Gore  
>> trucks around
>> on private jets putting dollars to offset his extravagance into a cash
>> machine generating profits on the backs of the middle class with
>> misrepresented science that doesn't deserve to be called science at  
>> all.
>>
>> Mr. Gore starts out, ironically enough, asserting the importance of
>> peer-reviewed science. I call this ironic because the  
>> misrepresentation that
>> follows (a) hasn’t been peer reviewed, and (b) the peer-reviewed  
>> literature
>> contradicts the misrepresentation.
>>
>>     
>>> From the Center For Public Integrity: one of the issues involving  
>>> both
>>>       
>> Knight and carbon friendly Al was the installation of a hot tub and  
>> steam
>> shower in the Master Bedroom of the VP's house. How Green is that?
>>
>> Here's what the Center found about some of the most generous  
>> contributors to
>> the foundation: Peter S. Knight...
>>
>> Peter S. Knight, Gore's former chief of staff, managed Gore's first  
>> bid for
>> the presidency in 1988. In 1989, he began lobbying for the firm  
>> Wunder,
>> Diefendorfer, Cannon and Thelan. Given his closeness to Gore and  
>> the rest of
>> the Clinton administration, corporations now pay Knight upward of  
>> $10,000 a
>> month to wield his influence with Gore. With the help of his new  
>> clients,
>> Knight soon cemented a new role for himself as Gore's "chief of fund
>> raising."
>>
>> Since 1996, Knight's various lobbying and fund-raising activity has  
>> been the
>> subject of a Federal Election Commission investigation, a Justice  
>> Department
>> inquiry and two House Commerce Committee probes.
>>
>> Gore chose Knight to act as chairman of the foundation during  
>> Gore's first
>> vice presidential term. Three of Knight's clients - millionaire  
>> publishing
>> magnate Vance Opperman, Bell Atlantic and Fluor Corporation —  
>> showered the
>> foundation with $10,000 each.
>>
>> Knight also solicited $10,000 contributions from foundations run by  
>> Atlantic
>> Richfield Company (ARCO), Coca-Cola Company, MCI Communications  
>> (now MCI
>> WorldCom, Inc.), Time Warner Inc. and Microsoft Corporation  
>> (Chairman Bill
>> Gates also contributed a $30,000 glass sculpture). Under Gore's  
>> supervision,
>> the foundation pledged to take corporate money only through their
>> foundations, not from corporations directly. The $10,000 paid by the
>> Coca-Cola Company, however, came out of the corporate account.
>>
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