[Grovenet] Carbon Credit.

Mon Oct 29 16:55:45 PDT 2007

As usual, you're wrong, Steven.
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven
  To: Forest Grove local interests list
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Carbon Credit.

  You needed Al to get you to do these things? 
Remember the y2k scare? I
  guess it was good for the economy.
  I'm not sure, did Al clean all that up before or 
after he invented the
  internet?
  Going green is a good thing. Don't give Al the 
credit for that.
  Al Gore's investments will better Al Gore. That 
is the point.

  Katie Allnutt wrote:
  > Ooohhhh. Is this supposed to scare us just 
before Halloween?
  > At our house we have switched our light bulbs 
for compact fluorescent
  > ones and installed a programmable thermostat. 
Guess what? We are
  > saving money.  Poor us for paying attention to 
Al Gore.
  > Not to mention the asthmatics who are 
benefited from lower
  > particulate levels in the air.
  >
  > And so what if Gore started this 'before the 
science reports were
  > written'. Gore has been studying global 
warming since the '80's and
  > before.  The more accurate way to look at this 
is to say he waited
  > too long rather than to claim he jumped the 
gun.
  >
  > Sure Al could do more to reduce his carbon 
footprint. So can we all.
  > He is not the hypocrite in all this blah blah 
blah, back and forth
  > over global warming.  The Bill Hobbs of the 
world claim that fixing
  > global warming will harm the economy but 
complain when Al Gore might
  > be making investments and helping the economy 
on global warming issues.
  >
  > Do you remember when the Cuyahoga River was so 
polluted it caught on
  > fire? Before that all the industrialists were 
saying pollution would
  > take care of itself and they had no 
responsibility to do anything
  > about it.  The generation that cleaned up the 
river looked back on
  > the old polluters with less than admiration. 
They bit the bullet and
  > put the regulations in place to fix the 
problem. It takes a long time
  > and hard work to undo such damage.  But you 
have to start somewhere.
  > Heck, even WalMart is trying to go green.
  >
  > Al Gore's grandkids won't be ashamed of what 
he tried to do in his
  > lifetime.  I have some doubts about Bill 
Hobbs' grandkids.
  >
  > Katie
  >
  > PS A couple of claims of $10 thousand in under 
investigated campaign
  > contributions pale in comparison to the 
millions and billions that go
  > uninvestigated or obstructed in problems with 
today's no bid
  > contracts and Duke Cunningham exploits. 
Somebody has a problem with
  > orders of magnitude. Maybe that is where the 
order to remove the
  > entire tree trunk from your own eye before you 
go pointing out the
  > sliver in someone else's comes from.
  >
  >
  >
  > On Oct 29, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Steven wrote:
  >
  >> http://tinyurl.com/36nsko
  >> Al Gore's Inconvenient Loot
  >> Former Vice President Al Gore has built a 
Green money-making
  >> machine capable
  >> of eventually generating billions of dollars 
for investors, including
  >> himself, but he set it up so that the average 
Joe can't afford to
  >> play on
  >> Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up 
by a former Gore
  >> staffer and
  >> fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both 
the FEC and the DOJ,
  >> before
  >> Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an 
investigation during the Clinton
  >> years.
  >>
  >> As Bill Hobbs first pointed out, Gore 
supposedly pays for his extra-
  >> large
  >> carbon footprint through Generation 
Investment Management (GIM) -
  >> and if
  >> you're looking to go green, and have your 
wallet go along with
  >> Gore, think
  >> again - average people are too insignificant 
to play - verifiable
  >> from this
  >> pdf.
  >>
  >> Generation is based in London, with its U.S. 
offices in Washington,
  >> DC. The
  >> firm will manage the assets of institutional 
investors such as pension
  >> funds, foundations and endowments, as well as 
those of select high
  >> net worth
  >> individuals.* Generation expects to make 
extensive use of long-term
  >> performance based fees. Generation will begin 
its investment
  >> management
  >> business in early 2005.
  >>
  >> * like Al Gore
  >>
  >> Gore's company, GIM was specifically 
established to take financial
  >> advantage
  >> of new technologies and solutions related to 
combating Global
  >> Warming. The
  >> Global Warming crowd has told us that just 
recently new science
  >> emerged
  >> confirming the alleged fact that Global 
Warming is man made. So, ask
  >> yourself, why is it that Gore set up his 
Green money machine three
  >> years ago
  >> back in 2004? Is it possible Gore knew what 
the science would say
  >> before it
  >> was out? And even if not, can an individual 
who stands to make
  >> millions from
  >> Global Warming really be trusted as an honest 
broker on that topic?
  >> Talk
  >> about giving the fox the keys to the hen 
penthouse.
  >>
  >> Even if Global Warming did exist, in 
principle, what's the difference
  >> between war profiteering and this? One could 
justifiably argue that
  >> Gore is
  >> taking advantage of, in his opinion, a 
catastrophic situation to
  >> clean up -
  >> and I don't mean the environment.
  >>
  >>
  >> Here's a list indicating what it takes to 
make money along with Al.
  >> Funds
  >> associated with these companies have placed 
millions of dollars
  >> under Al
  >> Gore's control. And, as you'll see below, 
Gore's selection for the US
  >> President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows 
as well.
  >>
  >> AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - 
BECTON DICKINSON & CO
  >> BLACKBAUD
  >> INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO 
INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC -
  >> LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - 
NORTHERN TR CORP -
  >> NUVEEN INVTS
  >> INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - 
UBS AG - VCA ANTECH
  >> INC -
  >> WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC
  >>
  >> According to their own documents, GIM intends 
to invest in, or buy
  >> companies
  >> poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns. 
If we borrow John
  >> Edward's
  >> so-called two Americas concept for a second, 
this all means higher
  >> prices
  >> and taxes with more regulation and an altered 
standard of living
  >> for people
  >> like you and me, while Al Gore sits ensconced 
in his other America
  >> reaping
  >> profits from each new government mandate for 
us, business and even
  >> government itself. It's win win, alright, but 
mostly for Al.
  >>
  >> To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. 
Knight, an old friend and
  >> colleague some are sure to recall, as the US 
President of GIM.
  >>
  >> Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director 
Met West Financial,
  >> lawyer,
  >> Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) 
from 1977-1989, and Campaign
  >> Manager for President Clinton's successful 
re-election in 1996, is
  >> President
  >> of Generation U.S.
  >>
  >> This would be him:   Reno Rejects Inquiry 
Into a Clinton Aide
  >>
  >> Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any 
further investigation of Peter
  >> Knight, Pres Clinton's 1996 campaign manager 
in connection with office
  >> building development in nation's capital; 
such an investigation
  >> could have
  >> led to naming independent counsel to look 
further into activities
  >> of Knight,
  >> who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres 
Al Gore.
  >>
  >> Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found 
out how $20,000 in
  >> stock turned
  >> up in an account for Knight's then 13 year 
old child.
  >>
  >> Dispute over Democratic Party 
campaign-financing shifts to Zachary
  >> Knight,
  >> 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, 
Clinton-Gore campaign chairman
  >> in 1996,
  >> who was given $20,000 in stock by William 
Haney 3d, chairman of
  >> Molten Metal
  >> Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, 
which came after father
  >> was named
  >> chairman of campaign, was really payment to 
Knight, who had worked as
  >> $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight 
denies involvement in
  >> any
  >> impropriety; photo
  >>
  >> If Gore's motivation in pushing Global 
Warming is so altruistic,
  >> was it
  >> really necessarily for the already wealthy 
Gore to establish a
  >> multi-million
  >> dollar corporation in England to cash in? And 
given the history of
  >> Gore and
  >> Knight, are these people we should trust to 
drive a re-vamping of
  >> the world
  >> economy at the same time they're lining their 
pockets because of
  >> our much
  >> smaller carbon footprints?
  >>
  >> If Al Gore is successful with this latest 
scheme, Gore and his
  >> cronies are
  >> going to be much more $green$ than most of 
the earth. And the only
  >> green in
  >> this for you and me is the kind that 
accompanies envy as Gore
  >> trucks around
  >> on private jets putting dollars to offset his 
extravagance into a cash
  >> machine generating profits on the backs of 
the middle class with
  >> misrepresented science that doesn't deserve 
to be called science at
  >> all.
  >>
  >> Mr. Gore starts out, ironically enough, 
asserting the importance of
  >> peer-reviewed science. I call this ironic 
because the
  >> misrepresentation that
  >> follows (a) hasn’t been peer reviewed, and 
(b) the peer-reviewed
  >> literature
  >> contradicts the misrepresentation.
  >>
  >>> From the Center For Public Integrity: one of 
the issues involving
  >>> both
  >> Knight and carbon friendly Al was the 
installation of a hot tub and
  >> steam
  >> shower in the Master Bedroom of the VP's 
house. How Green is that?
  >>
  >> Here's what the Center found about some of 
the most generous
  >> contributors to
  >> the foundation: Peter S. Knight...
  >>
  >> Peter S. Knight, Gore's former chief of 
staff, managed Gore's first
  >> bid for
  >> the presidency in 1988. In 1989, he began 
lobbying for the firm
  >> Wunder,
  >> Diefendorfer, Cannon and Thelan. Given his 
closeness to Gore and
  >> the rest of
  >> the Clinton administration, corporations now 
pay Knight upward of
  >> $10,000 a
  >> month to wield his influence with Gore. With 
the help of his new
  >> clients,
  >> Knight soon cemented a new role for himself 
as Gore's "chief of fund
  >> raising."
  >>
  >> Since 1996, Knight's various lobbying and 
fund-raising activity has
  >> been the
  >> subject of a Federal Election Commission 
investigation, a Justice
  >> Department
  >> inquiry and two House Commerce Committee 
probes.
  >>
  >> Gore chose Knight to act as chairman of the 
foundation during
  >> Gore's first
  >> vice presidential term. Three of Knight's 
clients - millionaire
  >> publishing
  >> magnate Vance Opperman, Bell Atlantic and 
Fluor Corporation —
  >> showered the
  >> foundation with $10,000 each.
  >>
  >> Knight also solicited $10,000 contributions 
from foundations run by
  >> Atlantic
  >> Richfield Company (ARCO), Coca-Cola Company, 
MCI Communications
  >> (now MCI
  >> WorldCom, Inc.), Time Warner Inc. and 
Microsoft Corporation
  >> (Chairman Bill
  >> Gates also contributed a $30,000 glass 
sculpture). Under Gore's
  >> supervision,
  >> the foundation pledged to take corporate 
money only through their
  >> foundations, not from corporations directly. 
The $10,000 paid by the
  >> Coca-Cola Company, however, came out of the 
corporate account.
  >>
  >> 
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