[Grovenet] The Iraqi View

[Allen Warren]

Our President created this mess and unfortunately, he's leaving it to his successors to clean it up.  And yes, we unfortunately DO have an obligation to correct our President's mistake.  Question is: what is the right plan to correct all this?

I think the President should stop saying we "need to bring Democracy" and starting saying we "need to bring stabliization".
 
Allen Warren


----- Original Message ----
From: Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:23:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] The Iraqi View


That's my question: Do we owe less care and concern for the Iraqi people
because we destroyed their country by mistake?

It seems to me that, if anything, it would raise our level of obligation to
help the Iraqi people. 

Ron D'Eau Claire 



-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Steele, Mike
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:54 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] The Iraqi View


I would add to the comparison here that we were not in Japan and Germany
based on a lie about the potential threat they posed.

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
Subject: [Grovenet] The Iraqi View

Since whether we and the Brits remain a physical presence in Iraq is quickly
shifting from a military/political decision to a public decision, perhaps
this poll was inevitable. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/10_09_07_iraqpollaug2007_full
.pdf

Or 

http://tinyurl.com/yqmr7r

As you might guess, it says that in broad terms the Iraqi people interviewed
say they are worse off now than before we invaded. 

I'm no fan of this "war" but I bet a similar poll asked in Germany in 1945
would have yielded the same results. 

Even so, we didn't leave Germany or Japan in 1945. We stayed on for decades,
helping build a stable, successful economy in each country, spending huge
amounts of money both in material and personnel. Does whether one thinks our
invasion of Iraq was justified determine the nature of our obligation to the
people of Iraq? Do we want to see a more prosperous, more stable and safer
society emerge from the bloodbath? 

Or has the United States changed? Do we no longer accept responsibility for
our actions? 

For nearly eight years I've watched the Republican party take the blame for
the mess in Iraq. A few years ago the Democratic party gained control of
Congress. Now it looks like the Democrats will gain control of both Congress
and the White House next year. 

I wonder what they will do? 

Will they say "too bad, so sad" and walk away from Iraq? 

Is that the sort of thing the United States of the 21st Century does? 

Ron D'Eau Claire 



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