[Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .

[Steven]

And this is all the republicans problem?
Free trade, illegal immigration are two big issues for me and both sides of
the isle are party to the problems. Wages are depressed due to an influx of
slave labor. We have falsely reported inflation as well.
It is time to ask not what your country can do for you. We each need to
stand up for ourselves. Not expect a handout from uncle.
The super rich include democrats.
We can agree on the issues that corporate law has given us.
I would wish that we could just dump the entire bush and clinton families
from our country and get back to where we don't define ourselves by our
divide but by our agreements.

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of Walt Wentz
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:28 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .


Steve:
For "substantive content," one has only to look at the current news.
Ordinary working Americans are losing jobs, savings and hope; the
phrase "living income" has apparently become an obscenity, never to
be spoken in the circles of power; The super-rich, and those
"artificial persons" known as corporations, have come to monopolize
the vast majority of the nation's wealth, and that percentage is
increasing every day, with the active connivance and assistance of
the present administration (read: "permanent tax cuts;") while the
sons and daughters of  our working poor (which will soon mean most of
us, given current trends), having no other hope of ever improving
their lot through higher education, are enlisting in an apparently
endless war, hoping that they will emerge from service alive and with
brains undamaged for the sake of the mere pittance for "educational
assistance" which has replaced the old G.I. Bill that made our
country great.
Substantive content? Our supposedly "conservative" government, far
from maintaining its cherished old "existing views, conditions or
institutions" regarding small government, fiscal responsibility and
noninterference, has been borrowing and spending like a drunken
sailor, building up a national debt which will crush our descendants
for generations to come. The future of our economy is now at the
mercy of foreign governments which have to real reason to wish us
well... China, Saudi Arabia, other nations who hold trillions in US
dollars in their national treasuries, and who could  collapse the
American  economy like a house of cards merely by releasing a flood
of those dollars on the international market.
Substantive content? Osama bin Laden is still alive, free and
inspiring another generation of jihadists, six years after our
present administration swore vengeance and swift victory;
Afghanistan, which was supposed to become a free and law-abiding
nation,has instead produced all-time record crops of opium last year,
resulting an actual over-supply of heroin for the world's crime
syndicates and drug addicts, while the Taliban are back, striking
down agents of change and their own people apparently at will, while
their own casualties are replaced by more jihadists flowing through
the lawless tribal areas of our supposedly brave and loyal ally,
Pakistan. Despite all the encouraging propaganda from our
administration, one has only to read the news from the BBC and other
foreign services to realize Afghanistan is rapidly becoming a "failed
state," a chaotic collection of drug fiefdoms and mutually hostile
tribes, sects and clans, ruled by brutal warlords and Taliban
zealots-- all this because our present administration decided to
divide our forces for a fraudulent and utterly irrational invasion of
Iraq, a nation that had been so badly defeated and disrupted it could
not defend its own borders against its own neighbors, let alone the
US Army.
More than five years after "Mission Accomplished," we are still
there... pushing a determined and resilient "insurgency" from one
part of the country to another but never actually defeating it, while
the weak puppet government we installed engages in endless mutual
backstabbing and thievery, and billions of American reconstruction
dollars continue to flow into a bottomless black hole of corruption,
and both Iraqis and Americans continue to die-- despite the
triumphant announcements when "fewer" die  in a given month than in
another.
Substantive content? (Expletive deleted!) The world is echoing with
"substantive content," while our supposedly "conservative"
administration continues to mouth political slogans, tries to
distract us with "God, guns and gays" and attempts to scapegoat those
problems they cannot ignore or deny onto illegal immigrants-- that
is, the economic refugees fleeing the devastation wrought by our own
"free-trade" agreements with their home countries.
Sorry if I seem angry and overheated. I am ordinarily of an
idealistic and optimistic nature, but the "substantive content" of
our present situation would be enough to infuriate a statue.
Walt



>Walt,
>
>
>And , likewise, liberal propogandization has changed the definition of
>conservative from " tending or disposed to maintain existing views,
>conditions, or institutions,  marked by moderation or caution"  to
>   " reactionaries, bigots, chickenhawks and the assorted other frauds
and
>fakers. "
>
>I wish both sides would just grow up and limit discussions to substantive
>content.
>
>
>Steve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Walt Wentz" <waltw at teleport.com>
>To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .
>
>
>>  >Walt,
>>>
>>>So, you are saying that " reactionaries, bigots, chickenhawks and the
>>>assorted other frauds and fakers " are exclusively conservative?
>>
>>  Nope. Only that suchlike have hijacked the "conservative" label.
>>  Meanwhile, through 30 years of sustained propagandizing, they have
>>  managed to change the label of "liberal" from its dictionary
>>  definition of "generous, tolerant, free," to "crazy criminal-coddling
>>  commie-lovin' tax-and-spend treasonous sinners."
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