[Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .

[Walt Wentz]

Excellent, Steven! Couldn't say it better myself.
Walt
>And this is all the republicans problem?
>Free trade, illegal immigration are two big issues for me and both sides of
>the isle are party to the problems. Wages are depressed due to an influx of
>slave labor. We have falsely reported inflation as well.
>It is time to ask not what your country can do for you. We each need to
>stand up for ourselves. Not expect a handout from uncle.
>The super rich include democrats.
>We can agree on the issues that corporate law has given us.
>I would wish that we could just dump the entire bush and clinton families
>from our country and get back to where we don't define ourselves by our
>divide but by our agreements.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
>Behalf Of Walt Wentz
>Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:28 AM
>To: Forest Grove local interests list
>Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .
>
>
>Steve:
>For "substantive content," one has only to look at the current news.
>Ordinary working Americans are losing jobs, savings and hope; the
>phrase "living income" has apparently become an obscenity, never to
>be spoken in the circles of power; The super-rich, and those
>"artificial persons" known as corporations, have come to monopolize
>the vast majority of the nation's wealth, and that percentage is
>increasing every day, with the active connivance and assistance of
>the present administration (read: "permanent tax cuts;") while the
>sons and daughters of  our working poor (which will soon mean most of
>us, given current trends), having no other hope of ever improving
>their lot through higher education, are enlisting in an apparently
>endless war, hoping that they will emerge from service alive and with
>brains undamaged for the sake of the mere pittance for "educational
>assistance" which has replaced the old G.I. Bill that made our
>country great.
>Substantive content? Our supposedly "conservative" government, far
>from maintaining its cherished old "existing views, conditions or
>institutions" regarding small government, fiscal responsibility and
>noninterference, has been borrowing and spending like a drunken
>sailor, building up a national debt which will crush our descendants
>for generations to come. The future of our economy is now at the
>mercy of foreign governments which have to real reason to wish us
>well... China, Saudi Arabia, other nations who hold trillions in US
>dollars in their national treasuries, and who could  collapse the
>American  economy like a house of cards merely by releasing a flood
>of those dollars on the international market.
>Substantive content? Osama bin Laden is still alive, free and
>inspiring another generation of jihadists, six years after our
>present administration swore vengeance and swift victory;
>Afghanistan, which was supposed to become a free and law-abiding
>nation,has instead produced all-time record crops of opium last year,
>resulting an actual over-supply of heroin for the world's crime
>syndicates and drug addicts, while the Taliban are back, striking
>down agents of change and their own people apparently at will, while
>their own casualties are replaced by more jihadists flowing through
>the lawless tribal areas of our supposedly brave and loyal ally,
>Pakistan. Despite all the encouraging propaganda from our
>administration, one has only to read the news from the BBC and other
>foreign services to realize Afghanistan is rapidly becoming a "failed
>state," a chaotic collection of drug fiefdoms and mutually hostile
>tribes, sects and clans, ruled by brutal warlords and Taliban
>zealots-- all this because our present administration decided to
>divide our forces for a fraudulent and utterly irrational invasion of
>Iraq, a nation that had been so badly defeated and disrupted it could
>not defend its own borders against its own neighbors, let alone the
>US Army.
>More than five years after "Mission Accomplished," we are still
>there... pushing a determined and resilient "insurgency" from one
>part of the country to another but never actually defeating it, while
>the weak puppet government we installed engages in endless mutual
>backstabbing and thievery, and billions of American reconstruction
>dollars continue to flow into a bottomless black hole of corruption,
>and both Iraqis and Americans continue to die-- despite the
>triumphant announcements when "fewer" die  in a given month than in
>another.
>Substantive content? (Expletive deleted!) The world is echoing with
>"substantive content," while our supposedly "conservative"
>administration continues to mouth political slogans, tries to
>distract us with "God, guns and gays" and attempts to scapegoat those
>problems they cannot ignore or deny onto illegal immigrants-- that
>is, the economic refugees fleeing the devastation wrought by our own
>"free-trade" agreements with their home countries.
>Sorry if I seem angry and overheated. I am ordinarily of an
>idealistic and optimistic nature, but the "substantive content" of
>our present situation would be enough to infuriate a statue.
>Walt
>
>
>
>>Walt,
>>
>>
>>And , likewise, liberal propogandization has changed the definition of
>>conservative from " tending or disposed to maintain existing views,
>>conditions, or institutions,  marked by moderation or caution"  to
>>    " reactionaries, bigots, chickenhawks and the assorted other frauds
>and
>>fakers. "
>>
>>I wish both sides would just grow up and limit discussions to substantive
>>content.
>>
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Walt Wentz" <waltw at teleport.com>
>>To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:51 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .
>>
>>
>>>   >Walt,
>>>>
>>>>So, you are saying that " reactionaries, bigots, chickenhawks and the
>>>>assorted other frauds and fakers " are exclusively conservative?
>>>
>>>   Nope. Only that suchlike have hijacked the "conservative" label.
>>>   Meanwhile, through 30 years of sustained propagandizing, they have
>>>   managed to change the label of "liberal" from its dictionary
>>>   definition of "generous, tolerant, free," to "crazy criminal-coddling
>>>   commie-lovin' tax-and-spend treasonous sinners."
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