[Grovenet] ear mark this!

[Steven]

the babble we currently have is a roadblock to bringing our population
together. Heck, pick Chinese. But lets have one.

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Behalf Of Walt Wentz
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:32 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] ear mark this!


Nope. Taking English classes (perhaps with one of those truly amazing
computer programs now available)  using materials sold at a nominal
fee, would be one way "illegal immigrants" might work their way
toward citizenship. Certainly the government should NOT involve
itself in dictating a free English-language program-- any more than
it should self-righteously declare English the "official" language of
the country. But it shouldn't be putting roadblocks in front of
people either, whether by declaring that somebody applying for a
license or checking into a hospital has to do so in English only, or
by declaring that everyone HAS to take an English-language program,
and certainly not by decreeing that program has to be paid for by the
taxpayers. Pay-as-you-go is the only fair way.
I must agree with other comments, however. America is woefully behind
the rest of the world in multiple language instruction. Instead of
huddling behind a pitiful "official" English-only wall, we'd better
start teaching our grade-schoolers a second language of Spanish,
Russian, Chinese or Japanese-- all languages that will become
increasingly important. Arabic, too, can be neglected only at our
peril.
WW

>Walt,
>
>When you say English classes "made available by our government" do you mean
>free of charge?
>
>Steve
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Walt Wentz" <waltw at teleport.com>
>To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [Grovenet] ear mark this!
>
>
>>  Maybe try re-casting the argument as follows:
>>  "33 Senators voted against the essentially meaningless attempt to
>>  denigrate and discriminate against persons who still speak the
>>  language of their land of birth--and who would probably begin
>>  speaking English if adequate teaching programs were made available by
>>  our government, instead of these shallow and mean-spirited appeals to
>>  xenophobia."
>>  Walt
>>
>>>I did not snoop this, nor do I plan to. However knowing the grove folks
>>>as I do .. someone will...
>>>
>>>33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official Language
>>>On June 6, 2007, 33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official
>>>Language. On Wed. 6 June 2007, 23:35:23-0500, Colonel Harry Riley , USA
>>>, Ret. wrote:
>>>
>>>Senators:
>>>
>>>Your vote against an amendment to the Immigration Bill 1348 to make
>>>English America 's official language is astounding. On D-Day, no less,
>>>when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock,
>>>character and principles of America , I can only surmise your vote
>>>reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. I don't much care where you come
>>>from. What your religion is. Whether you're black, white, or some other
>>>color......male or female......Democrat, Republican or
>>>Independent....... But I do care when you are a United States Senator
>>>representing Citizens of America .......and vote against English as the
>>>official language of the United States .
>>>
>>>Your vote reflects Betrayal. Political Surrender. Violates Your Pledge
>>>of Allegiance. Dishonors historical principle. Rejects Patriotism.
>>>Borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to
>>>serve as a United States Senator........
>>>Impeachment.......Recall........Or other appropriate action is warranted
>>>or worse.
>>>
>>>Four of you voting against English as America 's Official Language are
>>>Presidential Candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd,
>>>and Senator Obama. Four Senators vying to lead America, but won't or
>>>don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of "English" as America's
>>>Official Language when 91% of American Citizens want English officially
>>>designated as our language. This is the second time in the last several
>>>months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as "political
>>>hacks"...... Unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as
>>>President of the United States . If America is as angry as I am, you
>  >>will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally "rock you out of
>>>your panties"......... and preferably totally out of the United States
>>>Senate. The entire immigration bill is a farce.... your action only
>>>confirms this really isn't about America .....it is about self-serving
>>>politics.....despicable at best. It has been said: "Never Argue with an
>>>Idiot.... They'll drag you down to their level!" The following Senators
>>>voted against making English the official language of America :
>>>
>>>Akaka (D-HI)
>>>Bayh (D-IN)
>>>Biden (D-DE) Wants to be President?
>>>Bingaman (D-NM)
>>>Boxer (D-CA)
>>>Cantwell (D-WA)
>>>Clinton (D-NY) Wants to be President? (GOD FORBID!)
>>>Dayton (D-MN)
>>>Dodd (D- MN) wants to be president
>>>Domenici ( R-NM) coward. protecting his senate seat
>>>Durbin (D-IL)
>>>Feingold (D-WI) - not unusual for him
>>>Feinstein (D-CA)
>>>Harkin (D-IA)
>>>Inouye (D-HI)
>>>Jeffords (L-VT)
>>>Kennedy - (D-MA)
>>>Kerry (D-MA) wanted to be president
>>>kohl (D-WI))
>>>Lautenberg (D-NJ)
>>>Leahy (D-VT)
>>>Levin (D-MI)
>>>Lieberman (D-CT) Disappointment here.....
>>>Menendez (D-NJ)
>>>Mikulski (D-MD)
>>>Murray (D-WA)
>>>Obama (D-IL) Wants to be President? GOD FORBID!
>>>Reed (D-RI)
>>>Reid (D-NV) Senate Majority Leader
>>>Salazar (D-CO)
>>>Sarbanes (D-MD)
>>>Schumer (D-NY)
>>>Stabenow (D-M
>>>
>>>"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
>>>morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested,
>>>exiled or hanged!!! President Abraham Lincoln
>>>
>>>Every potential voter should be aware of this! Please circulate this
>>>TILL THE ELECTION in November 2008.
>>>
>>>
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