[Grovenet] Driving Help Needed

Mon Jan 14 11:45:02 PST 2008

I need to make a correction in this post. I stated "I hope that he is kept 
off the road pending father
> maturation." It should state "further maturation," at least until we see 
> how Allen handles the situation. :>)

Steve "scary how the sub-conscious mind works" Jerrett


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Driving Help Needed


> Katie,
>
> I appreciate the advice on teen driving instruction.
>
> I have been instructing my children for 10 years. They made their share of
> 'learning mistakes' and I did my share of correction. I would always 
> discuss
> the error and made it quite clear that a responsibility as serious as
> driving was not open to much debate and interpretation. Any dissent would
> lead to a temporary suspension  of privileges. It is a one-sided issue by
> design. Driving a motor vehicle is not the correct avenue to let an
> emotionally or intellectually immature person  "find themselves." There 
> are
> plenty of non life threatening issues that are appropriate.
>
> I did not recommend that Allen pull his license or permit, but recommended 
> a
> parental suspension as long as his  son continues to argue or debate. 
> While
> arguing or debating may be typical behavior for many teens, it has no 
> place
> behind the wheel.
>
> You call his logic in this instance slightly flawed. I would  call it
> severely flawed. I hope that he is kept off the road pending father
> maturation.
>
> Yes, Katie, life is beautiful.  Severe injury or death in an automobile 
> tend
> to not be.
>
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Katie Allnutt" <allnutt at verizon.net>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Driving Help Needed
>
>
>> In defense of Allen and his son I'd like to clarify that he is in the
>> learning stage and this is a perfect example of how kids learn to
>> drive.  They go with their parents, make a 'learning' mistake, get
>> corrected by the parent and go on.
>> He doesn't need to have his license or permit pulled, he just needs
>> to be corrected.
>> Even though Allen says he continued to argue, that is typical for
>> kids to do even when they agree with what the parent is saying.
>>
>> From my interactions with this kid in the neighborhood and school,
>> he is a quick learner, he cares about doing things right (he was
>> attempting to save gas which is a good goal and he had some logic
>> behind his actions -he was under lights - even if it was slightly
>> flawed logic), and from what I have seen he would not recklessly
>> endanger himself or others.  In other words he is a good kid and he
>> is learning.  Life is beautiful.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>
>>> Allen,
>>>
>>>
>>> Does he have his license yet?
>>>
>>> If so, I would seriously consider suspending his driving
>>> privileges. If he
>>> makes those kinds of decisions with you in the car, who knows what
>>> he does
>>> if you are not there?
>>>
>>> Why are you debating with him?  Inform him that he not only needs
>>> to follow
>>> the State Motor Vehicle Laws but your rules also. If he wants to
>>> make up his
>>> own rules, he needs to do so when he turns 21 with his own car and
>>> insurance
>>> policy. It is your responsibility to ensure that he is capable of
>>> driving
>>> without undue risk to the safety of himself and others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "+rlo" <rlo42 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Driving Help Needed
>>>
>>>
>>>> Again, another example of idiotic thoughts. This scares me! It
>>>> doesn't
>>>> matter if it's against the law or not...it is certainly against
>>>> the law of
>>>> common sense!
>>>>
>>>> Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Last evening
>>>> approximately
>>>> 9:00 PM I was traveling north on Highway 47 with my 16-year old son
>>>> driving, approaching the intersection at Highway 8. Approximately 100
>>>> yards from the traffic signal the light changed to red. After
>>>> stopping for
>>>> the signal, my son put the drive gear in Park and turned off the
>>>> car. It's
>>>> important to note that when the motor is turned off the computer
>>>> automatically turns off the lights.
>>>>
>>>> In a panic I asked, "what's wrong? why did you turn off the
>>>> car?!". His
>>>> reply: "Since we're going to be sitting here for awhile I wanted
>>>> to save
>>>> gas so I turned off the car." As you might expect, I told him to
>>>> immediately start the car and turn the lights on.
>>>>
>>>> After my heart rate and blood pressure neared their normal levels, I
>>>> informed my son that for the very short period of time we would be
>>>> waiting
>>>> for the traffic signal to turn green, we would actually use a
>>>> little more
>>>> fuel and it would be an extra load on the car's system to restart vs.
>>>> sitting idling. I also informed my son that not only was it *NOT*
>>>> safe to
>>>> sit in a parked car with headlights off in a traffic lane at night
>>>> but
>>>> that I believed it to be against Oregon driving laws.
>>>>
>>>> My son was open to the potential of the no-real gas/energy savings
>>>> answer
>>>> being true (but still debated, as is normal for him) but argued that
>>>> turning off the vehicle and sitting there in the dark was *NOT*
>>>> unsafe as
>>>> he said it was a well-lit area, and he also argued it wouldn't be a
>>>> traffic violation. I argued it was unsafe because even though it was
>>>> indeed a well-lit area and we were stopped at a red light signal,
>>>> we were
>>>> sitting in a car, in a traffic lane, with no lights on at night. I
>>>> also
>>>> informed him that unless the car was disabled and could not safely be
>>>> moved to the side and off the roadway, deliberately parking a car
>>>> in a
>>>> traffic lane was a violation. He continued to argue his point this
>>>> morning.
>>>>
>>>> I've looked on the DMV website and can't find actual text validating
>>>> either of our positions. Does anyone know if what occurred last
>>>> evening
>>>> would be considered a violation under Oregon Motor Vehicle driving
>>>> laws?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>>>>
>>>> Allen Warren
>>>>
>>>>
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