[Grovenet] Driving Help Needed

[Ed Davie]

(Tongue in cheek)
His dad could buy a Prius and it would shut off 
automatically, when he stopped for the light.
Ed

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: allnutt
  To: Forest Grove local interests list
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Driving Help Needed


  I'll let Allen decide if his kid was 'arguing' 
as in, "I'm still going to do
  it my way"
  or 'discussing' as in, "But what about the 
merits of saving gas".
  I interpreted his post as the kid was more 
discussing the merits, even if
  the discussion was continuing.
  It is Allen's privilege as a parent to interpret 
and discipline as
  necessary.

  I added my comments because this kid has been 
open to instructions in other
  situations and he does not strike me as one who 
recklessly disregards the
  potential for harm.

  Since Allen originally asked for suggestions, I 
offer this advice.  Before
  you yank his driving privileges, I would go back 
to him and give him a face
  saving way of admitting that dad was right.  You 
could say, 'Hey son, you
  had some good arguments about saving gas the 
other day. While at a stop
  light is not be the time to turn off the engine 
what do you think are other
  times when you should?'  Then you are having an 
open ended discussion about
  choices and making decisions. His answers will 
tell if he is thinking
  defiance or trying to learn what is the right 
thing to do.

  Katie




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz>
  To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" 
<grovenet at rdrop.com>
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Driving Help Needed


  > But Allen said the kid argued with him and is 
still arguing.
  >
  > To me, that's the end of privileges, 
especially those that might harm
  > himself or others.
  >
  > It's critical that children learn to ask 
questions and equally critical
  > that
  > they not confuse asking questions with 
rejecting the answers.
  >
  > Ron D'Eau Claire
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com 
[mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
  > Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
  > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:37 AM
  > To: Forest Grove local interests list
  > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Driving Help Needed
  >
  >
  > In defense of Allen and his son I'd like to 
clarify that he is in the
  > learning stage and this is a perfect example 
of how kids learn to
  > drive.  They go with their parents, make a 
'learning' mistake, get
  > corrected by the parent and go on.
  > He doesn't need to have his license or permit 
pulled, he just needs
  > to be corrected.
  > Even though Allen says he continued to argue, 
that is typical for
  > kids to do even when they agree with what the 
parent is saying.
  >
  > From my interactions with this kid in the 
neighborhood and school,
  > he is a quick learner, he cares about doing 
things right (he was
  > attempting to save gas which is a good goal 
and he had some logic
  > behind his actions -he was under lights - even 
if it was slightly
  > flawed logic), and from what I have seen he 
would not recklessly
  > endanger himself or others.  In other words he 
is a good kid and he
  > is learning.  Life is beautiful.
  >
  > Katie
  >
  >
  > 
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