[Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt

Katie Allnutt allnutt at verizon.net
Thu May 8 08:43:56 PDT 2008 

I didn't mean to leave any misimpression in my story Steven.  The   
reporter did talk to one of the fund raisers at the school and they  
did quote her words accurately. It is just when the story was  
published the quote was attributed to me instead of the correct  
person and I hadn't been interviewed. Mine was not a case of 'making  
it up' out of whole cloth. They merely forgot which school mom was  
which.
Was I trying to mislead you about the mistake that newspaper made?  
No. I was just trying to be brief in my story. I was never  
interviewed but when I used those words it left the impression in  
your mind that nobody was ever interviewed.  Is that 'my bad' as a  
writer or 'your bad' as a reader who jumped to a conclusion that was  
not stated or intended?

Katie



On May 8, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Steven wrote:

> Please don't try to spin.
> The mud puddle story was pure fabrication.
> Horrible miss statements make up much of the news and are not typos.
> You could have said that you try to be accurate. But it seems to  
> say that
> all problems with bad reporting is just typos.
> I'd consider Kate's story as bad reporting. The reporter could have  
> actually
> talked to Kate. Even asked, "would you say that..." and thus get  
> something
> quotable. But to make it up makes one wonder about the next story  
> as well.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>> Behalf Of John Schrag
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:39 AM
>> To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yikes! Those stories sound all too familiar. Although I've never  
>> kneeled
>> in
>> a mud puddle, in the rush to a deadline, I, too, have attributed a  
>> quote
>> to
>> the wrong person.
>>
>> We, in the media, make mistakes all the time (in this week's News- 
>> Times,
>> we
>> misspelled the name of one my son's classmates, failed to credit a  
>> sports
>> photo and referred readers to the wrong page on one story) and it  
>> will get
>> only get worse as newsrooms cut their staffs and websites create  
>> even more
>> pressure to "be there first" (which often brings out the worst).
>>
>> But, there's a big difference between making mistakes and "making  
>> things
>> up." Our profession pretty much has a zero tolerance policy on the  
>> lying
>> thing.
>>
>> None of us like errors in our work, but consider that even the  
>> little old
>> News-Times has thousands of facts in it each week, from the name  
>> of the
>> kids
>> in the photos and the time that Kiss Me Kate starts on Friday  
>> night to the
>> Vikings' standing in the playoff hunt and the year Irv Nikolai  
>> retired.
>>
>> Our newsroom staff (of four) gets more than 99 percent of those facts
>> right
>> each week, as do journalists at most papers. That doesn't excuse the
>> mistakes we make, but may put them in context.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>> Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:28 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>
>> I was quoted in the newspaper once and they reporter had never even
>> talked to me. It was pretty funny to see what you said in the paper
>> when you didn't get the interview in the first place. (At least I
>> 'said' some thing nice....)
>> Turns out it was an innocent mistake or case of reporter not being
>> able to write in a straight line and didn't detract from the overall
>> point of the article. It was an article about a school fundraiser and
>> I could have said those words if I had been asked.
>>
>> But Steven makes a good point. If the stuff you know about is wrong,
>> it does make one wonder about the stuff you don't know about.  The
>> reporter on knees in the 3 inch flood is a good example of going way
>> over board.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> On May 7, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Steven wrote:
>>
>>> Gosh, I said make up. I meant to say Get Wrong.
>>> But there was the case of the reporter on their knees in a mud
>>> puddle trying
>>> to say how bad the flooding was. One of the Portland stations.
>>> Medical issues I've had. Stories tend to gloss over the important
>>> stuff.
>>> Lump other stuff together until it implies something else all
>>> together.
>>> Quotes wrong. Wrong conclusions from data. That kind of stuff.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of John Schrag
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:19 PM
>>>> To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve:
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in examples of where you know that the media has
>>>> "made
>>>> stuff up."  Not saying it doesn't happen; just wanting some  
>>>> specifics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Schrag
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Steven
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:56 AM
>>>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>>
>>>> Just one of those things about the media. Any time it is a topic
>>>> you know,
>>>> you realize how little the press knows and how much they make up.
>>>> Makes you
>>>> wonder about the rest of it.
>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>   From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of Bob Browning
>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:12 PM
>>>>   To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>>>   Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   An odd headline when the only "trouble" in his past seems to be
>>>> that the
>>>> unions don't like him because he has a strong personality.
>>>>
>>>>   And, he would have been on the team, even if for a short time. A
>>>> bit of
>>>> puffery perhaps, but not as bad as stealing a loaf of bread, even
>>>> if your
>>>> kids are starving.
>>>>
>>>>    Looks to me like Channel 6 was having a slow news day!!
>>>>
>>>>   bob
>>>>
>>>>   Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.koin.com/content/news/topstories/story.aspx?content_id=
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>>> 8fb-43b6-a936-3ca347936161
>>>
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