[Grovenet] Fox

Thu May 8 14:33:55 PDT 2008

OK...

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:52 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: [Grovenet] Fox

Be careful about making fun of Fox Gnus there Mike. You have to be  
wearing a flag lapel pin and genuflect when you say Rupert's name too.

Katie
(Dang where did I put my Made in China patriotic pin???? I can't hit  
'send' until I find it.)

On May 8, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Steele, Mike wrote:

> It strikes me that the N-T, at 99% accuracy as John mentions here, is
> WAY ahead of Fox Noise and, perhaps, most other Rupert Murdoch  
> holdings.
>
> --Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
> bounces at rdrop.com] On
> Behalf Of John Schrag
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:39 AM
> To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>
>
>
> Yikes! Those stories sound all too familiar. Although I've never  
> kneeled
> in
> a mud puddle, in the rush to a deadline, I, too, have attributed a  
> quote
> to
> the wrong person.
>
> We, in the media, make mistakes all the time (in this week's News- 
> Times,
> we
> misspelled the name of one my son's classmates, failed to credit a
> sports
> photo and referred readers to the wrong page on one story) and it will
> get
> only get worse as newsrooms cut their staffs and websites create even
> more
> pressure to "be there first" (which often brings out the worst).
>
> But, there's a big difference between making mistakes and "making  
> things
> up." Our profession pretty much has a zero tolerance policy on the  
> lying
> thing.
>
> None of us like errors in our work, but consider that even the little
> old
> News-Times has thousands of facts in it each week, from the name of  
> the
> kids
> in the photos and the time that Kiss Me Kate starts on Friday night to
> the
> Vikings' standing in the playoff hunt and the year Irv Nikolai  
> retired.
>
> Our newsroom staff (of four) gets more than 99 percent of those facts
> right
> each week, as do journalists at most papers. That doesn't excuse the
> mistakes we make, but may put them in context.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
> bounces at rdrop.com] On
> Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:28 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>
> I was quoted in the newspaper once and they reporter had never even
> talked to me. It was pretty funny to see what you said in the paper
> when you didn't get the interview in the first place. (At least I
> 'said' some thing nice....)
> Turns out it was an innocent mistake or case of reporter not being
> able to write in a straight line and didn't detract from the overall
> point of the article. It was an article about a school fundraiser and
> I could have said those words if I had been asked.
>
> But Steven makes a good point. If the stuff you know about is wrong,
> it does make one wonder about the stuff you don't know about.  The
> reporter on knees in the 3 inch flood is a good example of going way
> over board.
>
> Katie
>
> On May 7, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Steven wrote:
>
>> Gosh, I said make up. I meant to say Get Wrong.
>> But there was the case of the reporter on their knees in a mud
>> puddle trying
>> to say how bad the flooding was. One of the Portland stations.
>> Medical issues I've had. Stories tend to gloss over the important
>> stuff.
>> Lump other stuff together until it implies something else all
>> together.
>> Quotes wrong. Wrong conclusions from data. That kind of stuff.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>> Behalf Of John Schrag
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:19 PM
>>> To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve:
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in examples of where you know that the media has
>>> "made
>>> stuff up."  Not saying it doesn't happen; just wanting some  
>>> specifics
>>>
>>>
>>> John Schrag
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Steven
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:56 AM
>>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>
>>> Just one of those things about the media. Any time it is a topic
>>> you know,
>>> you realize how little the press knows and how much they make up.
>>> Makes you
>>> wonder about the rest of it.
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Bob Browning
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:12 PM
>>>   To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>>   Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>
>>>
>>>   An odd headline when the only "trouble" in his past seems to be
>>> that the
>>> unions don't like him because he has a strong personality.
>>>
>>>   And, he would have been on the team, even if for a short time. A
>>> bit of
>>> puffery perhaps, but not as bad as stealing a loaf of bread, even
>>> if your
>>> kids are starving.
>>>
>>>    Looks to me like Channel 6 was having a slow news day!!
>>>
>>>   bob
>>>
>>>   Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.koin.com/content/news/topstories/story.aspx?content_id=
>> c5f8f1b3-b
>> 8fb-43b6-a936-3ca347936161
>>
>>
>>   Accused Schools Chief's Troubled Past
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