[Grovenet] Fox

Thu May 8 14:41:10 PDT 2008

Katie, those Gnus are Fixed!
(Fixed Gnus, poor guys.)

Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steele, Mike" <steelem at pacificu.edu>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Fox

> OK...
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
> Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:52 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: [Grovenet] Fox
> 
> Be careful about making fun of Fox Gnus there Mike. You have to be  
> wearing a flag lapel pin and genuflect when you say Rupert's name too.
> 
> Katie
> (Dang where did I put my Made in China patriotic pin???? I can't hit  
> 'send' until I find it.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Steele, Mike wrote:
> 
>> It strikes me that the N-T, at 99% accuracy as John mentions here, is
>> WAY ahead of Fox Noise and, perhaps, most other Rupert Murdoch  
>> holdings.
>>
>> --Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>> Behalf Of John Schrag
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:39 AM
>> To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>
>>
>>
>> Yikes! Those stories sound all too familiar. Although I've never  
>> kneeled
>> in
>> a mud puddle, in the rush to a deadline, I, too, have attributed a  
>> quote
>> to
>> the wrong person.
>>
>> We, in the media, make mistakes all the time (in this week's News- 
>> Times,
>> we
>> misspelled the name of one my son's classmates, failed to credit a
>> sports
>> photo and referred readers to the wrong page on one story) and it will
>> get
>> only get worse as newsrooms cut their staffs and websites create even
>> more
>> pressure to "be there first" (which often brings out the worst).
>>
>> But, there's a big difference between making mistakes and "making  
>> things
>> up." Our profession pretty much has a zero tolerance policy on the  
>> lying
>> thing.
>>
>> None of us like errors in our work, but consider that even the little
>> old
>> News-Times has thousands of facts in it each week, from the name of  
>> the
>> kids
>> in the photos and the time that Kiss Me Kate starts on Friday night to
>> the
>> Vikings' standing in the playoff hunt and the year Irv Nikolai  
>> retired.
>>
>> Our newsroom staff (of four) gets more than 99 percent of those facts
>> right
>> each week, as do journalists at most papers. That doesn't excuse the
>> mistakes we make, but may put them in context.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>> Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:28 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>
>> I was quoted in the newspaper once and they reporter had never even
>> talked to me. It was pretty funny to see what you said in the paper
>> when you didn't get the interview in the first place. (At least I
>> 'said' some thing nice....)
>> Turns out it was an innocent mistake or case of reporter not being
>> able to write in a straight line and didn't detract from the overall
>> point of the article. It was an article about a school fundraiser and
>> I could have said those words if I had been asked.
>>
>> But Steven makes a good point. If the stuff you know about is wrong,
>> it does make one wonder about the stuff you don't know about.  The
>> reporter on knees in the 3 inch flood is a good example of going way
>> over board.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> On May 7, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Steven wrote:
>>
>>> Gosh, I said make up. I meant to say Get Wrong.
>>> But there was the case of the reporter on their knees in a mud
>>> puddle trying
>>> to say how bad the flooding was. One of the Portland stations.
>>> Medical issues I've had. Stories tend to gloss over the important
>>> stuff.
>>> Lump other stuff together until it implies something else all
>>> together.
>>> Quotes wrong. Wrong conclusions from data. That kind of stuff.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of John Schrag
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:19 PM
>>>> To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve:
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in examples of where you know that the media has
>>>> "made
>>>> stuff up."  Not saying it doesn't happen; just wanting some  
>>>> specifics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Schrag
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Steven
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:56 AM
>>>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>>
>>>> Just one of those things about the media. Any time it is a topic
>>>> you know,
>>>> you realize how little the press knows and how much they make up.
>>>> Makes you
>>>> wonder about the rest of it.
>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>   From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
>>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>>> Behalf Of Bob Browning
>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:12 PM
>>>>   To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>>>   Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Irv update-2nd attempt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   An odd headline when the only "trouble" in his past seems to be
>>>> that the
>>>> unions don't like him because he has a strong personality.
>>>>
>>>>   And, he would have been on the team, even if for a short time. A
>>>> bit of
>>>> puffery perhaps, but not as bad as stealing a loaf of bread, even
>>>> if your
>>>> kids are starving.
>>>>
>>>>    Looks to me like Channel 6 was having a slow news day!!
>>>>
>>>>   bob
>>>>
>>>>   Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.koin.com/content/news/topstories/story.aspx?content_id=
>>> c5f8f1b3-b
>>> 8fb-43b6-a936-3ca347936161
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