[Grovenet] been around before, but what can ya rxpect from an OleHoss?

[Ed Davie]

Well said, Jeff!
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Howden
  To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
  Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] been around before,but 
what can ya rxpect from an OleHoss?


  > From: Alan Domenghini
  >
  > Letter from one "Angry Woman"
  >
  > I don't know who wrote it but She should have 
signed it.

  She probably couldn't find the courage to own it 
so chose the way of the
  anonymous coward.

  > Some powerful words.

  Powerful?  Aggressive, yes.  I wouldn't consider 
them powerful.  They
  certainly don't move me towards her position. 
If anything, they move me
  away from her position.  I find them 
reprehensible.  Lacking a fundamental
  value for human life and disturbingly devoid of 
rationality.  Her reality is
  of a world where coins have one side, all 
streets go in one direction, and
  what's good for the goose is *not* good for the 
gander.

  > This woman should run for president [...]

  She already is.  Her name is John McCain.  For 
the sake of all things
  reasonable, I hope we don't put someone with 
this antiquated mentality back
  into the White House.

  > It's too bad that more Americans don't express
  > themselves as she does.

  I hope more Americans express themselves with as 
much (or more) passion, but
  with none (or hopefully less) of the poison.

  > "Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?

  We are not and have not been.  It was an excuse 
to make a play for oil.
  Even the most staunch of war supporters are 
admitting that now.  To think
  otherwise is to be stuck permanently in 2002 and 
clueless to what has been
  brought to light since then (though many saw the 
writing on the wall even
  before we illegally invaded Iraq under 
completely false, fabricated, and
  felonious claims).

  > Was it or was it not started by Islamic people 
who
  > brought it to our shores on September 11, 
2001?

  It was members of Jihadist organization 
Al-Qaeda.  What religion they claim
  to connect with is irrelevant.  They simply use 
the teachings of the
  religion they claim to follow to justify their 
actions (whether it's based
  on flawed, fanatical interpretations of that 
religion or not).  It's really
  no different than what extremist (or, 
regrettably not so extremist in some
  cases) members of Christianity or Catholicism 
have been doing all along as
  well.  That's the key though.  The people 
responsible for 9/11 were
  extremists or fanatics and not at all like what 
a "typical" Islamic believer
  is like.

  This woman would do well to educate herself on 
what Islam really is.  Of
  note is that it's one of the largest religious 
in the world boasting nearly
  2 billion followers, second only to 
Christianity.  Perhaps she knows this
  and feels threatened by that.  If so, is Hindu 
at third with nearly 1
  billion followers on the verbal chopping block 
next?  Maybe she'll just wait
  until she's spoonfed something by the media 
linking it to something
  anti-American first.  Then, like a starving 
tiger in wait, she'll pounce and
  tear into something else she doesn't really 
understand or know anything
  about.

  Some would content that it was started by us 
when we helped bin Laden in his
  fight against the Russians with training, 
weapons, and funding.

  > And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the
  > Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked 
American
  > soldier kicked it or got it wet?...
  >
  > Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

  Then, by that same token she should not care if 
the same were to be done to
  her bible.

  > I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns
  > himself in and repents for incinerating all
  > those innocent people on 9/11.

  The first rational words so far.  That's not 
enough though.  There are
  plenty here, in our very country, that should 
own up to their crimes against
  humanity under the guise of protecting our 
country or defending our
  freedoms.

  > I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in 
the
  > Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, 
the
  > mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi 
Arabia

  I do not understand the leap of logic used to 
arrive at the conclusion that
  a country's religious freedoms (or lack thereof 
in the case of Saudi Arabia)
  immediately equates them to fanatics.  Yes, they 
do things differently
  there.  Yes, they do not believe the same things 
we do.  Yes, some of the
  things they require of their citizens seem 
outlandish and downright wrong
  from our perspective.  Does that make them 
Islamic fanatics?  Just because
  we believe differently means they're absolutely 
wrong and must change to
  suit us?  Hasn't this sort of butting our noses 
into others' business not
  worked so well for us in the past?

  If she cared half as much about the mess in her 
own yard as she does about
  the mess in others, she *might* have room to 
lobby some complaints.

  > I'll care when these thugs tell the world they
  > are sorry for chopping off Nick Berg's head 
while
  > Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed 
throat.

  An "I'm sorry" is not sufficient for this act. 
They should each face
  execution; should we ever find them.  The 
reality of that is unlikely.

  > I'll care when the American media stops
  > pretending that their First Amendment 
liberties
  > are somehow derived from international law
  > instead of the United States Constitution's 
Bill
  > of Rights.

  Huh?

  > In the meantime, when I hear a story about a 
brave
  > marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to 
obtain
  > information, know this: I don't care.

  Is she going to give the same leeway to a member 
of an "enemy" when they
  "rough up" an American to obtain information?

  > When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked 
Iraqi
  > prisoners who have been humiliated in what 
amounts
  > to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I
  > don't care.

  Nevermind that college-hazings are frowned upon 
because of the damage
  (physical, mental, emotional, or worse) they can 
cause.  What if she had a
  child in college that was forced to endure this 
sort of humiliation and have
  photos of it all over the news and Internet? 
Would she still be so quick to
  dismiss it?

  > "If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under 
God,
  > then we will be a nation gone under." Also 
by..
  > Ronald Reagan

  Interesting!  Taken in a general sense, this 
isn't really any different than
  the beliefs put into practice through Saudi 
Arabian law.  The only major
  difference is that they mandate a single, 
specific religion while this quote
  simply implies Christianity or some "acceptable" 
derivative.  Maybe it's
  just me, but I've never really bought into the 
bulk of Reagan's
  classic-Republican "slippery slope" ideologies 
that are often quoted.

  > "A simple way to take measure of a country is 
to
  > look at how many want in.. And how many want 
out."

  Many that are motivated to get in do so not out 
of belief that the country
  is so great, but rather out of some sort of 
self-serving goal to have more,
  do more, etc.  The fact that these self-serving 
motivations are more easily
  sought in a particular country has nothing to do 
with that country's
  "greatness".

  In closing, this woman is a mental midget.  She 
practices the same
  proof-texting to justify her beliefs as the 
militant, fanatical members of
  Al-Qaeda do to justify theirs.  She cherry-picks 
religious, political, and
  media bits that suit her position and uses them 
to justify her opinion,
  whether they would actually support it or not if 
taken in context.  She uses
  the apathetic words "I don't care" to make a 
point.  However, what she's
  really saying is this is why I hate.  She's just 
too much of a coward to put
  away the mask of apathy and call it like it is. 
If she was truly apathetic,
  she wouldn't have the energy or passion to write 
any of this drivel.


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